Dyno'd the turbo mustang

[Mr. Merk]

well we went down to Dyno&Performance saturday and put the car on the dyno

back up: back when i bought the car i dyno'd it and it made 178whp and 253ft-lbs, about 210hp/300ft-lbs at the flywheel, no adjustments made

about the only parts i swapped on was an aluminum flywheel and better flowing muffler, made a couple adjustments using the butt dyno too to make the best around town driving, not necessarily peak power

initial run was a 23hp/9ft-lbs gain @ 10:1 a/f (gah! way rich)

next run we turned the fuel psi down, picked up some decent torque but lost a few hp

after that we turned the timing up quite a bit (which really made a noticable difference in off boost power and around town driving/throttle response) that picked up some hp and tq

a/f was still low 11's

then we turned the boost up to 20psi for a peak total gain of 39hp/30ft-lbs at the wheels!! (but at 5200rpm it picked up 50hp/50ft-lbs)

a/f was still at a majorly safe 11.5:1, i figured that it would be a good idea to keep it there

ended up making:

218whp/284ft-lbs (flywheel: ~256hp/334ft-lbs)

then we tried some of Mel's (heavyhitter, CDS racing) VP motorsport 109, we mixed it 50/50 with my 94 octane pump gas, it made an addtional peak 2whp/14ft-lbs but at 3400rpm it made an additional 12hp/19ft-lbs!! no other changes!!

we really wanted to crank the boost up a lot more but figured i'd quit while i was ahead as i didnt have any other means to get back to fayetteville and my dad had to get to a wedding later that day

i was very very happy with the results, my goal was the same power as the sn95 4.6 GT (exactly twice the motor i have, even 2V SOHC)

i'm making: (according to edmunds)
151 more hp & 199 ft-lbs than my car came with from the factory
65 more hp & 94 more ft-lbs than a STOCK 88 T-bird turbo (my drivetrain)
31 more hp and 34 ft-lbs than a 91 5.0
21 more hp & 54 ft-lbs than a 93 cobra
16 more hp & 49 more ft-lbs than a 95 cobra
41 more hp & 49 more ft-lbs than a 96 Gt 4.6
5 less hp but 34 more ft-lbs than a 99 GT 4.6
19 less hp but 9 more ft-lbs than an LT1 f-body
56 more hp & 38 more ft-lbs than a 91 RX7 turbo (about same weight)
same hp but 17 more ft-lbs than a 93 RX7 (it's a lil lighter)
44 less hp but 51 more ft-lbs than a 91 300ZX twin turbo
66 more hp & 131 more ft-lbs than a 91 GS-T eclipse (lighter)
9 more hp & 106 more ft-lbs than a 91 porsche 911
48 more hp & 127 more ft-lbs than a 91 porchse 944
56 more hp & 134 more ft-lbs than a 91 MR2 turbo (a lil lighter)
24 more hp & 102 more ft-lbs than a 91 Supra Turbo
15 more hp & 54 more ft-lbs of TORQUE than a GTP

everything is heavier and gets worse mpg (unless noted)

i was getting 22/27 mpg BEFORE i leaned it out

dyno runs were made in 90*+ weather and we didnt use any ice or let it cool down between runs, 5 minutes max, this drivetrain has at least 160k miles

mods:
88 t-bird drivetrain
ebay cone filter
the small(er) T3 turbo (60/48)
Starion FMIC
"mild porting" of head and exhaust manifold (havent seen it)
94 ranger cam (roller version of stock)
3" downpipe and exhaust (dynomax bullet)
spec stg3 clutch/aluminum flywheel
255lph pump

thats all

:yahoo:

[SleeperTec]

Very Very Nice!!

[9524tee]

Great numbers bro. :thumbup:

[Don Juan]

very great numbers from a classic 4-banger!

[thunderstruck507]

nice man, bet you can suprise a lot of people with that ride

[SmokeyTheBear]

noice :2thumbsup:

[Tibby]

still not a ford fan and never will be, but still...Great numbers!

[Mr. Merk]

thanks guys i was very pleased, i cant believe how much better it is driving around town with that added base timing, it got sideways pulling out of work today on accident, i was just doing how i normally do

[Triepsyn]

Dayyyyym! Very nice.

[B5turbo]

Crazy Numbers!!! No wonder I was pushed back in my seat B)

[Vette666]

as long as you're happy w/it i guess.






:evil:

[Mr. Merk]

yah, i am, not bad for mostly intake/exhaust related mods and some tweaking on a 165,000mi 18 year old drivetrain

i enjoy the 1hp/11lbs much more than i would say...1hp/14lbs in my daily driver, i mean that's like having 167 more hp than something with like 240hp that weighs roughly 3400lbs, whatever that might be

[Vette666]

um.. alright. i don't know.. i was gonna leave it at that. i prefer to not feel like i have to break everything down to hp per lb to justify it. or say what my car weighs in relation to everything... i have what i have. doesn't really matter to me how much gain i get in terms of hp per lb. just give me it straight and simple.

[Mr. Merk]

come'on miss pre-med, cant you do a little math?

[Mr. Merk]

put it this way, a 3250lb car with 345hp would only move like it had a 45hp advantage over my car

this is all theoretical of course, such as drivetrain power loss (except in the case of my car because i already did a rough calculation for that), aerodynamics etc

but its close enough to make a rough estimate

[Mr. Merk]

come'on hit me, i'll bow if i'm wrong

[Mr. Merk]

oh and we're not even talking torque here....

[TripleZero]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 19 2006, 09:34 PM
yah, i am, not bad for mostly intake/exhaust related mods and some tweaking on a 165,000mi 18 year old drivetrain

i enjoy the 1hp/11lbs much more than i would say...1hp/14lbs in my daily driver, i mean that's like having 167 more hp than something with like 240hp that weighs roughly 3400lbs, whatever that might be
And?

What exactly is it that you're trying to prove?

My car is quick enough for me.
It's not stock and it won't be where it's at for long.
And I must say, hopping in my car on a hot summer day, into my relaxing leather interior and cold climate control is wonderful.

15 more hp & 54 more ft-lbs of TORQUE than a GTP

Not on this GTP.

I must say I love how you put it in bold to get my attention.
What RPM does that torque max at again?

[Mr. Merk]

sooner than yours

[TripleZero]

??

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 19 2006, 11:43 PM
come'on miss pre-med, cant you do a little math?
put it this way, a 3250lb car with 345hp would only move like it had a 45hp advantage over my car

this is all theoretical of course, such as drivetrain power loss (except in the case of my car because i already did a rough calculation for that), aerodynamics etc

but its close enough to make a rough estimate

of course i can do math. better than you. i'm positive of that.

what I'M saying is.. i'm glad i make enough power i don't have to break it down to weight. it doesnt matter if my car weighs a little more than some ricer.

and don't be ridiculous and act like my car is stock. its far from it.

as far as aerodynamics.. mine is almost as aerodynamic as they come. much more than yours.

oh and to your WUTSAV8.. i say i can kick your ass easy. no contest. so what's that all about? you've done all this to your car and you can almost keep up w/some STOCK v8's? how's that anything to brag about?

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by TripleZero@Jun 20 2006, 12:52 AM
And?
and....what? that is all

What exactly is it that you're trying to prove?

not trying to prove anything except that i'm happy with my daily driver's power output....is that ok with you? :huh:

My car is quick enough for me.
It's not stock and it won't be where it's at for long.
And I must say, hopping in my car on a hot summer day, into my relaxing leather interior and cold climate control is wonderful.

my car is quick enough for me too, i'm so happy for us :2thumbsup:

my car (well the drivetrain) is mostly stock, and it probably will be like this for a good while

leather....ooooh :lust:

i sure do love hoping in my RWD car on a hot summer day and driving the piss out of it, its just wonderful

I must say I love how you put it in bold to get my attention.
What RPM does that torque max at again?

hell it worked :o

the torque, ya know, the figure that is 50 something higher than a STOCK GTP, peaks at 3100, last time i checked, i believe a GTPs measily 280ft-lbs comes in at 3200

quit tbragging about your cow skins, post up some numbers

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 20 2006, 12:59 AM
of course i can do math. better than you. i'm positive of that.


then why didnt you? instead of saying :strange:

um.. alright. i don't know..


and don't be ridiculous and act like my car is stock. its far from it.
your car? who said anything about your car??? what the hell?



as far as aerodynamics.. mine is almost as aerodynamic as they come. much more than yours.
yep, verts do wonders for aerodynamics :rolleyes:

oh and to your WUTSAV8.. i say i can kick your ass easy. no contest. so what's that all about? you've done all this to your car and you can almost keep up w/some STOCK v8's? how's that anything to brag about?

thanks sherlock, i say i can kick your GTPs ass easy, no contest, his excuse before was that he wasnt force fed

i've done all of what? :huh: i've spent $20 on a muffler (obviously, sounds like shit, tell me something i dont know for once).....and....some money on spark plugs and......tranny fluid, congrats for reminding me i've spent a lot of time and money on this car, oh cant forget the dyno tuning, made some decent gains there

i spent $100 and picked up 19hp and 24 ft-lbs, not a bad investment


almost keep up with stock V8s? i've never lost to an LT1, 5.0 or a new 05 GT mustang

LS1s, yes i already mentioned i am slower than an LS1, but still like i said, 18 yearold 160k mile engine, not too shabby? can i get an amen somebody?

[Mr. Merk]

I'm soooo glas we're adding to the LIFE of the forum!!!

yay!!

[TripleZero]

Eh.
You got your reply from me which is obviously what you wanted.
I honestly do NOT care about what your car does compared to mine.
Enjoy your thread.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk+Jun 20 2006, 12:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr. Merk @ Jun 20 2006, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Vette666@Jun 20 2006, 12:59 AM
of course i can do math. better than you. i'm positive of that.


then why didnt you? instead of saying :strange:





your car? who said anything about your car??? what the hell?



as far as aerodynamics.. mine is almost as aerodynamic as they come.* much more than yours.*
yep, verts do wonders for aerodynamics :rolleyes:



thanks sherlock, i say i can kick your GTPs ass easy, no contest, his excuse before was that he wasnt force fed

i've done all of what? :huh: i've spent $20 on a muffler (obviously, sounds like shit, tell me something i dont know for once).....and....some money on spark plugs and......tranny fluid, congrats for reminding me i've spent a lot of time and money on this car, oh cant forget the dyno tuning, made some decent gains there

i spent $100 and picked up 19hp and 24 ft-lbs, not a bad investment


almost keep up with stock V8s? i've never lost to an LT1, 5.0 or a new 05 GT mustang

LS1s, yes i already mentioned i am slower than an LS1, but still like i said, 18 yearold 160k mile engine, not too shabby? can i get an amen somebody?[/b][/quote]
instead of saying what? that im happy that my car makes enough power that i don't have to.. nor do i FEEL i have to bring weight into it to justify it?

i said something about my car

yes.. corvette is very well designed to be aerodynamic. don't be an idiot.

haha.. we're talking about V8's sherlock. not GTP's.

yeah.. i think your car is pretty shabby. :P


not trying to prove anything except that i'm happy with my daily driver's power output....is that ok with you?


you're obivously trying to prove SOMETHING or you wouldn't have made his the only one in bold.

leather....ooooh


yes.. leather is VERY nice. too bad you wouldn't know.

ya know.. since your family was so rich until you got to the age where you could REMEMBER :rolleyes:

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by TripleZero@Jun 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Eh.
You got your reply from me which is obviously what you wanted.
I honestly do NOT care about what your car does compared to mine.
Enjoy your thread.
:laugh: dude your girl talks more shit than you do, and you cant even step up to the plate

http://www.bluedonkeys.com/images/white_meat.jpg

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 20 2006, 01:32 AM
instead of saying what? that im happy that my car makes enough power that i don't have to.. nor do i FEEL i have to bring weight into it to justify it?

i said something about my car

yes.. corvette is very well designed to be aerodynamic. don't be an idiot.

haha.. we're talking about V8's sherlock. not GTP's.

yeah.. i think your car is pretty shabby. :P


not trying to prove anything except that i'm happy with my daily driver's power output....is that ok with you?*


you're obivously trying to prove SOMETHING or you wouldn't have made his the only one in bold.

leather....ooooh*


yes.. leather is VERY nice. too bad you wouldn't know.

ya know.. since your family was so rich until you got to the age where you could REMEMBER :rolleyes:
i know i dont have to explain this all to you, because you're fully coherent, everyone knows it, so quit playing

i did make his in bold because he made a comment about turbo 4's a while back, saying they didnt know what torque was

i do know what leather is like, 2 of my cars have been leather, i dont prefer it, one of em even had recaro leather seats

see isnt this entertaining?? :2thumbsup:

[TripleZero]

What plate?
I prefer to find out what my car runs against REAL cars, not some bullshit turbo 4 cyl.
My goal is to hang beside Sallies car.
Not some clunker mustang.

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by TripleZero@Jun 20 2006, 01:44 AM
What plate?
I prefer to find out what my car runs against REAL cars, not some bullshit turbo 4 cyl.
My goal is to hang beside Sallies car.
Not some clunker mustang.
yah i dont blame you

i'd rather not waste my time with a bullshit FWD pushrod V6 but we're all we got man

[Mr. Merk]

oh and you're still a chicken

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk+Jun 20 2006, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mr. Merk @ Jun 20 2006, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-TripleZero@Jun 20 2006, 01:21 AM
Eh.
You got your reply from me which is obviously what you wanted.
I honestly do NOT care about what your car does compared to mine.
Enjoy your thread.
:laugh: dude your girl talks more shit than you do, and you cant even step up to the plate

http://www.bluedonkeys.com/images/white_meat.jpg [/b][/quote]
hahaha.. attempt to justify it all you want. your car is not NEAR worhty enough to be in my car's presence. ive said it before. it still stands. you drive a POS.. why on earth would i feel the need to prove ANYTHING to you? :haha: you're so far down in class from me.. don't waste my time. you're not worth shit.

you can call it chicken all you want.. that junior high shit doesn't work on me. your car is nothing. mine is so much more. what else do you want?

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by TripleZero@Jun 20 2006, 01:44 AM
I prefer to find out what my car runs against REAL cars, not some bullshit turbo 4 cyl.
My goal is to hang beside Sallies car.
Not some clunker mustang.
yah but whats the point if you cant even outrun a clunker mustang with a bullshit turbo 4??

ahahah


bullshit: 1. have greater capability 2. better 3. faster 4. having more power 5. more force per unit of time

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 20 2006, 01:50 AM
hahaha.. attempt to justify it all you want. your car is not NEAR worhty enough to be in my car's presence. ive said it before. it still stands. you drive a POS.. why on earth would i feel the need to prove ANYTHING to you? :haha: you're so far down in class from me.. don't waste my time. you're not worth shit.

you can call it chicken all you want.. that junior high shit doesn't work on me. your car is nothing. mine is so much more. what else do you want?
it wasnt aimed at you blondie, cant your man speak for himself??



i thought i was worth at least two shits :huh:

[Mr. Merk]

(come on, good reply, good reply, you can do it, i know you've got something clever deep down inside :crossing fingers:)

[Mr. Merk]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/64/Snow_Bros._Game_Over.png

[TripleZero]

Chicken of what?
You have not given me something to be chicken about.
All you have stated was your numbers.
Come on, you're a big boy. Spit out EXACTLY what it is you want.
Do you want the proof that your car is faster than mine?

[Mr. Merk]

sure why not?

[Mr. Merk]

not that i should really waste my time with a POS pontiac, not even in my class or anything.....

but what the hell, i'll pull my head out of the clouds for a minute

[TripleZero]

When

[Mr. Merk]

hey is it ok if i let my girl drive?? i really dont want to waste my time

[TripleZero]

Now you don't want to waste your time?
And you call me chicken?

[Mr. Merk]

its called mockery....

seems like a bunch of folks will be out friday night, big 540 ok with you?

[Mr. Merk]

i was hoping some of sallie's wit would rub off on you by now :no:

[Merk'sGirl]

Actually its Saturday night

[Mr. Merk]

har har, my bad

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 20 2006, 12:53 AM
i thought i was worth at least two shits :huh:
wrong!

not that i should really waste my time with a POS pontiac, not even in my class or anything.....

but what the hell, i'll pull my head out of the clouds for a minute

haha.. now i'll speak for him since he's not in the room.

not in YOUR class?!?!?! you've gotta be kidding me! he has.. basically a luxury car. he's got everything.. including digital dual climate control. what do you have? nothing! you have.. simply.. a piece of shit that you sunk money into. it's an old ass mustang. big deal. he's in a class way above yours. and as i've said all along to people who THINK they have hondas faster than me.... at the end of the day, i'm driving a corvette. i have the sex appeal, the resale value, the speed (STOCK), i have the luxuries. while at the end of the day.. they drive their shitty honda home that MAY be faster than the stock vette. but so what? i'm still riding in class while they're riding in shit.

[Mr. Merk]

like i said, no balls


i've got a digital clock??

[TripleZero]

Saturday?
Got my kids.
How about right now

[Mr. Merk]

whoa, you're not trying to drop the "class" manuever to try and squirm out of this now are you? come on, everyone knows even a stock GTP should out run my mustang

doesnt take a rocket scientist

[Merk'sGirl]

Only if u give me time to come and watch

[TripleZero]

That wouldn't be right now.

I will openly admit if his car is faster than mine. Like I said it doesn't really matter to me who's is.

[SleeperTec]

My ride has more luxury & class than you Vette :upyours:

[Merk'sGirl]

welp thats the deal, there has to be some witnesses

[Mr. Merk]

brb, i gotta go shit a brick, i cant believe you arent pussin out

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 20 2006, 01:24 AM
like i said, no balls


i've got a digital clock??
digital clock? hahahaha.. is that IT? you REALLY DO have a piece of shit. :laugh:



Only if u give me time to come and watch

what makes you think you're worth our time? we're ready now.



My ride has more luxury & class than you Vette


:rolleyes: please.. get real. :P

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:31 AM
welp thats the deal, there has to be some witnesses
i'm witness enough. we don't need you. i don't even need to be there. dont try to act like you're important.

brb, i gotta go shit a brick, i cant believe you arent pussin out

then lets go.. pussy

[Merk'sGirl]

well if you are taking the time now, u can wait 15 mins...obviously we are worth it or u wouldnt keep replying...

[Vette666]

stop tryin to delay it

[Merk'sGirl]

No one takes what you say seriously

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:35 AM
well if you are taking the time now, u can wait 15 mins...obviously we are worth it or u wouldnt keep replying...
no.. YOU aren't anything. neither is your acne faced bf. but if it means so much to him then we'll meet him. but we won't wait the 15 mins it takes for your pathetic ass to get there. i'm ready to go to bed.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:36 AM
No one takes what you say seriously
like they take YOU seriously? you have nothing either. and you never post. so why SHOULD they take you seriously

[TripleZero]

Where

[Merk'sGirl]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 20 2006, 02:36 AM
no.. YOU aren't anything. neither is your acne faced bf. but if it means so much to him then we'll meet him. but we won't wait the 15 mins it takes for your pathetic ass to get there. i'm ready to go to bed.
HAHA You dont know anything about me.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:40 AM
HAHA You dont know anything about me.
ha.. nice reply. i know enough about you to know you won't amount to near as much as anyone in MY family. you freak out when it matters. i've been told that by someone very close to you. and you're not near as smart as anyone in my family either. so i'd say i know enough of what matters. you mean nothing to me. deal with it.

[Vette666]

and i take it the acne faced bf is too much of a pussy to meet us. a shame. we're ready

[Mr. Merk]

i'm good, i told you i had to take a shit, and i think you forgot what the word sarcasm meant, damn, chill out

[TripleZero]

Where.

[Merk'sGirl]

If you think I care what you think of me, you are pretty stupid yourself. You don't even know what you're talking about. No one that is close to me cares enough about you to talk to you

[Mr. Merk]

pleasant grove exit

[TripleZero]

How are we doing it? From a stop or down the highway like last time

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:46 AM
If you think I care what you think of me, you are pretty stupid yourself. You don't even know what you're talking about. No one that is close to me cares enough about you to talk to you
oh contraire! someone who wanted to marry me at the time, and who is VERY close to you, told me that you freak out when it matters. and some other stuff about you ;)

oops.. maybe you should take up your hard feelings w/them. :P :P

[Mr. Merk]

like last time

[Vette666]

Leavin now. See you at the exit.

[TripleZero]

^Was me, forgot to sign her out

[Mr. Merk]

where at at the exit?

[Merk'sGirl]

Oh trust me I have no hard feelings towards him, I and the rest of my family are very glad that he didnt make the worst mistake of his life.

[Mr. Merk]

3:30ish

[Mr. Merk]

wal mart

[TripleZero]

Park on the on ramp heading back south. I'll get off, then you'll see my lights. Get back on the highway and we'll go from there.

[TripleZero]

Ok walmart it is

[TripleZero]

Just got back.
Started at a 50 down the highway since it was the safest.
Good ol' 3 honks. And we went.
His car jumped ahead of mine and stayed about 1-2 car lengths. And I hung right there behind him up over 100mph till we hit the brakes.
I was worried when he got on it and started to leave me. Then we just stayed the same distance apart from there and hung together.

Rematch soon ;)

[Mr. Merk]

agreed, it was fun, clean, all out good time

[TripleZero]

I'm afraid next time though my car will be all black. It's going in monday to get painted, along with the roof rails.

[Tibby]

I would of gone, but with my car like it is now, no way. lol.

[TripleZero]

I gotta ask one thing..
Did the GTP do better than you thought?

[Mr. Merk]

i really had no idea what the extent of the mods were, i was worried you had a pulley upgrade or something

but yah, the top end was impressive

i really do like GTPs, shit talking is shit talking, all that aside i'll like the car once its all black, i still dont like the FWD, but i'd own one

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Merk'sGirl@Jun 20 2006, 01:51 AM
Oh trust me I have no hard feelings towards him, I and the rest of my family are very glad that he didnt make the worst mistake of his life.
oh believe me.. i'm just as grateful i ended it and didn't make the same mistake. so.. yes, there was someone who cared enough to talk to me that was close enough to you to know that. ;)

as for the race.. since you people took your sweet time i gave up and went to sleep. so i don't really know what happened. :laugh:

[thunderstruck507]

wow...something excited posted on the board, niiice

hehe

sounds like everyone had some fun

[Vette666]

excitment seems to follow us. ^_^

[Ricky_Rockstah]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 19 2006, 11:59 PM
put it this way, a 3250lb car with 345hp would only move like it had a 45hp advantage over my car

this is all theoretical of course, such as drivetrain power loss (except in the case of my car because i already did a rough calculation for that), aerodynamics etc

but its close enough to make a rough estimate

of course i can do math. better than you. i'm positive of that.

what I'M saying is.. i'm glad i make enough power i don't have to break it down to weight. it doesnt matter if my car weighs a little more than some ricer.

and don't be ridiculous and act like my car is stock. its far from it.

as far as aerodynamics.. mine is almost as aerodynamic as they come. much more than yours.

oh and to your WUTSAV8.. i say i can kick your ass easy. no contest. so what's that all about? you've done all this to your car and you can almost keep up w/some STOCK v8's? how's that anything to brag about?
I've got $100 that says the Jetta wil own your corvette any time you want to go.

[Ricky_Rockstah]

I like the fact that Sallie called the GTP "basically a luxury car."


How's that again? It's a Pontiac with cheap ass interior and gay cheap leather seats.


Now, the BMW I've been driving is much more LUXURY than a POS GTP could dream of being.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Ricky_Rockstah@Jun 21 2006, 01:16 PM
I've got $100 that says the Jetta wil own your corvette any time you want to go.
just $100? you dyno'd your car at what? 300 to the wheels? you're gonna have to do A LOT better than that.


I like the fact that Sallie called the GTP "basically a luxury car."


How's that again? It's a Pontiac with cheap ass interior and gay cheap leather seats.


Now, the BMW I've been driving is much more LUXURY than a POS GTP could dream of being.

compared to a 20 year old mustang it is. my point was what i've been saying all along. sure.. you can by an old honda or something and sink $50,000 in it to make it fast. and if that's your prerogative then great. but we... we would rather have a car that has all the options and is fast. than a cheap old car that's insanely fast. at the end of the day.. they're driving an old honda. and i'm driving a corvette. it's not all about being the fastest one out there to some people ;)

[Ricky_Rockstah]

oh hon, it's fine that you don't want to race. I don't mind. i was jsut stirring the pot, I'm not even racing it becausee that's not what it's for.



I just don't think the Corvette is the pinnacle of performance that you think it is. Not that I don't like them, just that you act like it's a ferrari. Your house is shit and the neighborhood is about to be a bunch off cheap houses. You drive a bunch of Domestic gas guzzling crap. You're why the ozone layer is depleting and I wish you'd by a hybrid and shut up.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Ricky_Rockstah@Jun 21 2006, 04:40 PM
oh hon, it's fine that you don't want to race. I don't mind. i was jsut stirring the pot, I'm not even racing it becausee that's not what it's for.



I just don't think the Corvette is the pinnacle of performance that you think it is. Not that I don't like them, just that you act like it's a ferrari. Your house is shit and the neighborhood is about to be a bunch off cheap houses. You drive a bunch of Domestic gas guzzling crap. You're why the ozone layer is depleting and I wish you'd by a hybrid and shut up.
i won't race you b/c it's not worth it. w/the power you've posted i know that it wouldn't even be a race anyway. so i'll not waste my time. ;)

quote me where i said it's the pinnacle of performance. and that it's the best thing out there. of course i know it's not and i'm not trying to make it that way. it's right where i want it and i couldn't be happier. its perfect for me.

my house is very nice thank you. it's beautiful and the land is beautiful. unfortunately you're right.. it's being developed all around. which is why we've just started building new houses and a big new barn. ^_^ i'm gonna miss this place though.

gas isn't an issue for me so i don't care that they're "gas guzzlers." it might be for you.. but not me. so i'll continue to drive around in the luxury suv's. :))

[BDP]

I read like 5 posts of this thread and just couldnt stand reading anymore cause I just had to make a statement.... Damn sallie you still havent matured any in a year? I really havent read any of your posts since last summer cause I lost so much weight laughing at your idiocy that I didnt have enough strength to turn on my monitor.

Anyway, I honestly didnt know that you still argue with people with your corvette. I hate those cars and would never have one thanks to you, I still havent met you and always thought you were a dude until tripple and you hooked up. It would be an honor to kiss the feet of the famous vette owner who is better than anyone on the planet and who lets everyone know about in such an nieve way.

I wish my parents wouldnt have been stupid crack addicts who were successfull by default, cause by now perhaps I would have enough money to purchase a vette, trailer it around with my navagator and laugh at stock hondas on the internet who just built their first boosted motor or dropped a couple seconds in the quarter.

I dont know what it is about you, I mean I really like you and your posts most of the time, but the rest of the time I just wanna hit the ignore button :P
I'm sure if I knew you it would be different, I have typed up responses like this since you became a member but never had the balls to hit add reply. I only did it cause I know you love it and love feeding off it and it makes me happy to provide that for you :P


Haha, I was just poking fun since its been so long - I actually meant it but you know what I mean... feel free to come back on that.

[BDP]

Crap Patrick, I forgot to complement your car. Nice numbers from that beater dude!
What other plans you got in store?

Wish my stang was running, we'd go play :D

Pssst: I see now why you hang out elsewhere (other forums) Wish I could :lol:

[Mr. Merk]

lol, whats up with the stang, we need to break it out

[Ricky_Rockstah]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 21 2006, 09:07 PM
lol, whats up with the stang, we need to break it out
So a guy in a z06 tells me my car is fast and Sallie says I'm not worth her time?


She really is that dumb, right Patrick?

[BDP]

Its still parked, I wanted to restore it just dont have the time yet with the whole looking to buy a house thing.

Currently I need a smog pump eliminator kit to correct my serpintine system and I need to replace 1st gear syncro.

Bet the stang is far more fun than the ranger... I remember the first time I rode in that ranger.... over behind kohls :P

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Ricky_Rockstah@Jun 22 2006, 07:54 AM
So a guy in a z06 tells me my car is fast and Sallie says I'm not worth her time?


She really is that dumb, right Patrick?
the guy w/the z06 may be stock ;)

[Vette666]

Originally posted by BDP@Jun 21 2006, 06:51 PM
I read like 5 posts of this thread and just couldnt stand reading anymore cause I just had to make a statement.... Damn sallie you still havent matured any in a year? I really havent read any of your posts since last summer cause I lost so much weight laughing at your idiocy that I didnt have enough strength to turn on my monitor.

Anyway, I honestly didnt know that you still argue with people with your corvette. I hate those cars and would never have one thanks to you, I still havent met you and always thought you were a dude until tripple and you hooked up. It would be an honor to kiss the feet of the famous vette owner who is better than anyone on the planet and who lets everyone know about in such an nieve way.

I wish my parents wouldnt have been stupid crack addicts who werent successfull by default, cause by now perhaps I would have enough money to purchase a vette, trailer it around with my navagator and laugh at stock hondas on the internet who just built their first boosted motor or dropped a couple seconds in the quarter.

I dont know what it is about you, I mean I really like you and your posts most of the time, but the rest of the time I just wanna hit the ignore button :P
I'm sure if I knew you it would be different, I have typed up responses like this since you became a member but never had the balls to hit add reply. I only did it cause I know you love it and love feeding off it and it makes me happy to provide that for you :P


Haha, I was just poking fun since its been so long - I actually meant it but you know what I mean... feel free to come back on that.
how am i arguing that my car is so great? i'm saying its faster than a jetta w/only 300whp. but not that its the greatest thing out there. its the perfect car for ME and it fits ME. that's all i care about.

are you saying MY parents were crack addicts and were successful by default? my dad worked his ass off to be what he is today. he grew up very poor.. but this is what happens when you're extremely intelligent and have the ambition to drive you to be something great.. you BECOME successful.

are you being serious that you now hate corvettes b/c of me?! there was someone else who said that, a LONG time ago. and i still laugh that he let me have THAT much affect on him. you shouldn't take what i say on here that seriously.. b/c THAT is whats so funny to me.

i laugh at slow hondas that think they're fast.. or the ones that are covered in ugly decals.. 15 different colors of paint, or sound horrible. but if you paid attention.. i give them a lot of credit for being RELIABLE. stock anyway. they're a good cheap car that seems like it'll run forever. my brother has an accord and he didn't change the oil for like 3 YEARS one time.. but it never quit on him. im very impressed w/that. but when you think it's SO fast.. yeah, i'll laugh at ya.

but yes.. thank you.. i DO feed off posts like yours. and i dunno about the feel free to reply part.. b/c i don't know if this will be approved or not. :P

[3rdgenRX7]

Okay the big question I have been wondering for a while is: What is fast in your opinion? and does your car meet your standard for fast?

[Vette666]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Jun 22 2006, 03:48 PM
Okay the big question I have been wondering for a while is: What is fast in your opinion? and does your car meet your standard for fast?
yes i think my car is fast. i never said the jetta was SLOW. just slower than my car.

[thunderstruck507]

so i think i might have seen you on my way to work this morning...if so sorry i didn't wave, my motor skills are shit before 11

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 22 2006, 04:54 PM
yes i think my car is fast. i never said the jetta was SLOW. just slower than my car.
you didnt answer the question what is fast for you?

[Vette666]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Jun 22 2006, 05:21 PM
you didnt answer the question what is fast for you?
in what terms?

[3rdgenRX7]

oh anything form 1/4 mile times to hp numbers (though hp/weight is a better measure)

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 21 2006, 06:33 PM
i won't race you b/c it's not worth it. w/the power you've posted i know that it wouldn't even be a race anyway. so i'll not waste my time. ;)

we've just started building new houses and a big new barn. ^_^ i'm gonna miss this place though.

sam makes 308whp in grocery getter mode

a (stock) C5 makes roughly 15 less than that

sam ran dead even with a C5 Z06, they make roughly 345whp


so you and jake are gonna live with your parents? :strange:

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by BDP@Jun 22 2006, 11:27 AM
Bet the stang is far more fun than the ranger... I remember the first time I rode in that ranger.... over behind kohls :P
lol, good times

yes and no, the mustang is a lot of fun and i love it to death, but the ranger was way faster

btw: its on its way back from its nap :2thumbsup:

[Vette666]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Jun 22 2006, 07:17 PM
oh anything form 1/4 mile times to hp numbers (though hp/weight is a better measure)
when a car starts getting close to 13 sec 1/4 miles then i start to think it's quick.

sam makes 308whp in grocery getter mode

a (stock) C5 makes roughly 15 less than that

sam ran dead even with a C5 Z06, they make roughly 345whp

and? you have no idea what my car makes :evil:

so you and jake are gonna live with your parents?

nope.

[Ricky_Rockstah]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 22 2006, 03:54 PM
yes i think my car is fast. i never said the jetta was SLOW. just slower than my car.
I doubt that. And I would love to find out sometime. I'll put up some $$$ or whatever it would take to find this out also.

[Mr. Merk]

CHICKENS!!!! :lol:

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 12:05 AM
when a car starts getting close to 13 sec 1/4 miles then i start to think it's quick.

Would you car run 11s with the set up you have now?

[Vette666]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7+Jun 23 2006, 07:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (3rdgenRX7 @ Jun 23 2006, 07:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 12:05 AM
when a car starts getting close to 13 sec 1/4 miles then i start to think it's quick.

Would you car run 11s with the set up you have now? [/b][/quote]
:))

[Don Juan]

Originally posted by Vette666+Jun 23 2006, 02:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Vette666 @ Jun 23 2006, 02:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Jun 23 2006, 07:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 12:05 AM
when a car starts getting close to 13 sec 1/4 miles then i start to think it's quick.

Would you car run 11s with the set up you have now?
:)) [/b][/quote]
I will say that it might be capable, but a big hell no is Sallie is driving it :thumbup:

[Vette666]

Originally posted by Don Juan+Jun 23 2006, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Don Juan @ Jun 23 2006, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Jun 23 2006, 07:50 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 12:05 AM
when a car starts getting close to 13 sec 1/4 miles then i start to think it's quick.

Would you car run 11s with the set up you have now?
:))
I will say that it might be capable, but a big hell no is Sallie is driving it :thumbup:[/b][/quote]
that's fine.. i don't care what you think i'm capable of. but i know. that's all that matters. ^_^

[3rdgenRX7]

Now the question is what are you going off of. Actually dyno or track runs. Or what your mods should have gotten you?

[3rdgenRX7]

The reason I ask is that you seem to think you are faster then Sam, and I know what power I should have and what that should net me in the 1/4. So, If your car is apprently so much faster then Sam's then it should be faster then mine, yet I have never seen you post up anything about mods, 1/4 times, dyno #s, ect. So what I propose is that you stop putting other peopls cars down until you know what your car will do.

[Vette666]

i know very well what my car can do. it's not really anyone else's concern. ;)

[heavyhitter]

If ya wanna know know if you can beat her 'vette, race mine. Beat me or run close, you'll beat hers no problem. How's that? All stock with the blower, this C5 put 440hp to the wheels. Can I make more power? Sure... but it ain't a race car and it drives just fine like it is.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 23 2006, 06:00 PM
If ya wanna know know if you can beat her 'vette, race mine. Beat me or run close, you'll beat hers no problem. How's that? All stock with the blower, this C5 put 440hp to the wheels. Can I make more power? Sure... but it ain't a race car and it drives just fine like it is.
that sounds like a mighty fine idea.

ill be down for a race hopefully in a year or so heh.

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 23 2006, 06:00 PM
If ya wanna know know if you can beat her 'vette, race mine. Beat me or run close, you'll beat hers no problem. How's that? All stock with the blower, this C5 put 440hp to the wheels. Can I make more power? Sure... but it ain't a race car and it drives just fine like it is.
That power and the weight(3200lb?) of you car puts you at around an 11.5 1/4 mile? that will be faster then my car by about .3-.6 faster then what my car should run(note the should I have not run my car with this set up) depending on what my car actually weighs now with all the emmisions removed, and other useless stuff. (Calculated a 12 flat if I weigh 2800 lb, and an 11.8 if it weighs about 2700 lb)

[Ricky_Rockstah]

Originally posted by Vette666@Jun 23 2006, 04:06 PM
i know very well what my car can do. it's not really anyone else's concern. ;)
Then you shouldnt bother comparing other cars to the corvette because when we try and make an accurate comparison you say "it's none of your concern." So, :upyours:


I mean, Why criticize if there's no way to make an accurate comparison??

[Vette666]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 23 2006, 05:00 PM
If ya wanna know know if you can beat her 'vette, race mine. Beat me or run close, you'll beat hers no problem. How's that? All stock with the blower, this C5 put 440hp to the wheels. Can I make more power? Sure... but it ain't a race car and it drives just fine like it is.
:evil:

Then you shouldnt bother comparing other cars to the corvette because when we try and make an accurate comparison you say "it's none of your concern." So,


I mean, Why criticize if there's no way to make an accurate comparison??

oh.. i can make an accurate comparison. and i know. but i modded my car for ME, not you. therefore you're not entitled to know anything about MY car. and i don't know what gives you the impression that you are.

[BDP]

I was just havin fun with you in my own way I think you know that. Yes the reply about how I hate vettes because of you was based on past posts I've read. No I wasnt saying your parents were crack addicts at all, I was refering to mine :D (well they didnt really do crack).

And you dont have to worry about your posts with me, If you ever feel I've attacked you - feel free to return the flavor cause it was probably some test anyway :P

Just trying to fire you up a bit, a couple things were prolly true but hey, we all have our own opinions and it is the internet. It was just a tough week and I might have fouled a couple different people with my posts as far as the wording, but I assure I meant no harm.

So keep on with your vette talk and let me know when you need your feet kissed :P <--- me being an idiot

edit: Crap, I just re-read that section... I meant who "were successfull by default". Just a brainfart typo.

[Tibby]

I'm sorry, but just by knowing a little bit of what Sallie has done to her vette, it makes me like Corvette's more and more...wait, whats there to be sorry for again? :P

[heavyhitter]

I've danced with enough of a sample of what roams the streets around NWA and I feel I can accurately say whom I'm faster than and whom I'm not. 440 to the ground will NOT give some cars around here much trouble. 440 to the ground will give 99% of the cars around here way more than they can handle.

Now for reality. Although I have not run this car on a drag strip, I also feel I've been down the drag strip enough to make a pretty good guess at her numbers. On the 295/30-19 KDW2 tires she rolls town with, she'd be LUCKY to go faster than 12.30's. Damn lucky. She'd realistically go 12.4 or slower. WHY? Horsepower to weight definately puts her in the 11's on the calculator but those formulas assume one thing - TRACTION. Give me a set of racing slicks on some 16" wheels, she's a mid 11 second player.

I get asked a lot which is faster a supercharged C5 or a nitrous C5 - the answer is this: Assuming you can get traction with either setup, the nitrous car will win everytime and be much faster both in ET and MPH on the track. Why? A supercharger is a crankshaft driven air pump - the faster the crankshaft is spinning, the more air gets moved into the engine. At lower RPM, the blower might make 50% of it's maximum power and increase as engine RPM increases. Nitrous on the other hand, adds the maximum power (and more importantly, significant amounts of torque) across the RPM spectrum thus making more power sooner - the key to low ET's.

Which power adder do I like on the C5? the blower for the street is nice, smooth, and doesn't bother the gas mileage too much if you drive without your lead foot - so the blower would be my choice. Nitrous is brutal on the tires - which of course have no chance of hooking up through the first 2-3 gears anyway - but way fun if all you like to do is burn rubber. A blower on the street, on street tires, will be faster off the stoplights than the nitrous car - rolling down I-540 at 70, the race would be pretty damn close either way.

Been there, done that.

[Vette666]

Originally posted by BDP@Jun 24 2006, 04:58 PM
I was just havin fun with you in my own way I think you know that. Yes the reply about how I hate vettes because of you was based on past posts I've read. No I wasnt saying your parents were crack addicts at all, I was refering to mine :D (well they didnt really do crack).

And you dont have to worry about your posts with me, If you ever feel I've attacked you - feel free to return the flavor cause it was probably some test anyway :P

Just trying to fire you up a bit, a couple things were prolly true but hey, we all have our own opinions and it is the internet. It was just a tough week and I might have fouled a couple different people with my posts as far as the wording, but I assure I meant no harm.

So keep on with your vette talk and let me know when you need your feet kissed :P <--- me being an idiot

edit: Crap, I just re-read that section... I meant who "were successfull by default". Just a brainfart typo.
keep it comin.. b/c i love posts like yours was. i'm glad you weren't really offended by anything.. i knew i had thought more of you for a reason ;)


mel.. i like ya. i think you're really cool. the tires you quoted weren't mine. not that it makes a lot of difference, just letting ya know. just out of curiosity.. how much hp do you think i make now?

[Mr. Merk]

a little back on topic

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[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 24 2006, 06:19 PM
I've danced with enough of a sample of what roams the streets around NWA and I feel I can accurately say whom I'm faster than and whom I'm not. 440 to the ground will NOT give some cars around here much trouble. 440 to the ground will give 99% of the cars around here way more than they can handle.

Now for reality. Although I have not run this car on a drag strip, I also feel I've been down the drag strip enough to make a pretty good guess at her numbers. On the 295/30-19 KDW2 tires she rolls town with, she'd be LUCKY to go faster than 12.30's. Damn lucky. She'd realistically go 12.4 or slower. WHY? Horsepower to weight definately puts her in the 11's on the calculator but those formulas assume one thing - TRACTION. Give me a set of racing slicks on some 16" wheels, she's a mid 11 second player.

I get asked a lot which is faster a supercharged C5 or a nitrous C5 - the answer is this: Assuming you can get traction with either setup, the nitrous car will win everytime and be much faster both in ET and MPH on the track. Why? A supercharger is a crankshaft driven air pump - the faster the crankshaft is spinning, the more air gets moved into the engine. At lower RPM, the blower might make 50% of it's maximum power and increase as engine RPM increases. Nitrous on the other hand, adds the maximum power (and more importantly, significant amounts of torque) across the RPM spectrum thus making more power sooner - the key to low ET's.

Which power adder do I like on the C5? the blower for the street is nice, smooth, and doesn't bother the gas mileage too much if you drive without your lead foot - so the blower would be my choice. Nitrous is brutal on the tires - which of course have no chance of hooking up through the first 2-3 gears anyway - but way fun if all you like to do is burn rubber. A blower on the street, on street tires, will be faster off the stoplights than the nitrous car - rolling down I-540 at 70, the race would be pretty damn close either way.

Been there, done that.
Well that would depend on what type of supercharger you run. And for maximum efficiency, just turbocharge the motor. ;)

[heavyhitter]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Jun 25 2006, 10:25 PM
Well that would depend on what type of supercharger you run. And for maximum efficiency, just turbocharge the motor. ;)
....and I guess that would also depend on the turbocharger of choice, eh? A turbo and a blower share many of the same qualities - they are both dependent on engine RPM essentially. Sure you could put a pee wee turbo like the kind on a VW turbo diesel Bug but seriously... why waste your time? Or you could put a unit like I have on the shelf in my shop, a 105mm which supports 2400 horsepower - but then you'd never spool it... just like blowers, there's all sizes. The key is selection for the application.

Honestly, I leave choices like that up to the ones smarter than me to figure it out. My hats off to guys like Patrick, Sam, and the others who do their homework to figure out which pieces to actually run.

FYI, my blower is a ProCharger P1-SC. My options include a D1-SC but that would only make traction matters worse - but just in case, I've got a D1 sitting here if I ever feel the need, it's only a matter of changing a few brackets.

Sorry, Pat.... back to topic.... NICE JOB ON YOUR #'s!!!

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 25 2006, 10:27 PM
....and I guess that would also depend on the turbocharger of choice, eh? A turbo and a blower share many of the same qualities - they are both dependent on engine RPM essentially. Sure you could put a pee wee turbo like the kind on a VW turbo diesel Bug but seriously... why waste your time? Or you could put a unit like I have on the shelf in my shop, a 105mm which supports 2400 horsepower - but then you'd never spool it... just like blowers, there's all sizes. The key is selection for the application.

Honestly, I leave choices like that up to the ones smarter than me to figure it out. My hats off to guys like Patrick, Sam, and the others who do their homework to figure out which pieces to actually run.

FYI, my blower is a ProCharger P1-SC. My options include a D1-SC but that would only make traction matters worse - but just in case, I've got a D1 sitting here if I ever feel the need, it's only a matter of changing a few brackets.

Sorry, Pat.... back to topic.... NICE JOB ON YOUR #'s!!!
Not really. It doesn't take a scientist to select a turbocharger that's efficiency range is well suited for the size of motor it will be mated to. The supercharger can't be as efficent seeing as how its drag on the motor to create the boost.

[Mr. Merk]

right, but a t3/to4e seems awful small on a 3.0 V6, i used one of those on my trucks old setup (2.3) and jason is going to be running one on his 1.6L ZC honda


i guess what mel was getting at is that not just any turbo is more effecient than his procharger, say if he used a tiny turbo like the one you're going to be using he wouldnt be taking any steps forward, the blower is more fit for his application

[thunderstruck507]

well the blower or turbo might not be as efficient at low rpms...but it is doing SOMETHING

isn't minimum rpms for nitrous 3k rpm?

that is the way i'm thinking, but i suppose if you leave off a high stall and spray from launch it doesn't matter

but noone will ever convince me forced induction is not the way to go on a street car for the same reasons you pointed out, plus there's the ability to cruise from here to anywhere and not have to worry about finding a place to get bottles filled

and I am ignorant to the facts but it would seem a pulley change would be easier than a jet change (assuming one had the pulley/jets and tools for each) but I may be wrong on that...and i suppose it would depend greatly on the car

my sbc leaves a lot of room under the hood where a BBC was meant to go

maybe this should be its ok thread...its an interesting discussion to me

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 26 2006, 07:00 AM
right, but a t3/to4e seems awful small on a 3.0 V6, i used one of those on my trucks old setup (2.3) and jason is going to be running one on his 1.6L ZC honda


i guess what mel was getting at is that not just any turbo is more effecient than his procharger, say if he used a tiny turbo like the one you're going to be using he wouldnt be taking any steps forward, the blower is more fit for his application
Man patrick, with as much research you've done over the last couple years, I figured you would know better than that.

First of all, my T3/T04E is capable of near 500 RWHP. It's not huge, but definitely not "small." My T25 however, is SMALL. A T3/T04E can be ANY size almost. There are almost infinite combinations. Were you making 500 RWHP on your 2.3?
Did you know the most powerful pump gas S2000 runs a T3/T4? But you're right, 650 RWHP is too small for a 3.0 V6.

Oh, and I never mentioned using a T3/T04E on his car.

[drewgray]

The s2000 must be running a t3/t67, but I highly doubt that he put down 650 on pump. All Patrick was trying to say is that a t3/t4 on a 3.0L engine will spool very quickly especially a 50 trim. You will be hard pressed to make 500hp with the normal 50trim t3/t04e, but either way a 350 or even 400 hp car is nothing to sneeze at and will be loads of fun no matter how you look at it.

Also a jet change is alot easier than a pulley change. Jets are very simple to change out.

[thunderstruck507]

ah, don't know what all is involved in that

[heavyhitter]

For example, we can usually change dual-stage fogger system jets (32 jets) on a hot engine in about 10 minutes with 1 person on each side of the engine.

[thunderstruck507]

niiice

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by drewgray@Jun 27 2006, 09:03 AM
All Patrick was trying to say is that a t3/t4 on a 3.0L engine will spool very quickly especially a 50 trim. You will be hard pressed to make 500hp with the normal 50trim t3/t04e
exactly, i was making over 20psi in the low 3ks on the 2.3

u may make 500hp with it, but it wont be very efficient, you could use something like an HY35 and making that at a much lower boost level and still spool just about as fast

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Mr. Merk@Jun 27 2006, 10:35 PM
exactly, i was making over 20psi in the low 3ks on the 2.3

u may make 500hp with it, but it wont be very efficient, you could use something like an HY35 and making that at a much lower boost level and still spool just about as fast
Holset makes good turbos, no doubt. Many Z31 guys have been using them. However, saying that "T3/T4 is too small for a 3.0 V6" is very situational to say the least. First of all, the size of turbo is only relevant to YOU and what YOU want from your car. Secondly, they actually make T3/T4's (T3/T70) that support 800 RWHP. How could that be too small? Remember, I'm staying on stock internals so I'm not planning on running anything over 450 RWHP. That's plenty for the street anyway. Its a daily driver.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by drewgray@Jun 27 2006, 08:03 AM
The s2000 must be running a t3/t67, but I highly doubt that he put down 650 on pump. All Patrick was trying to say is that a t3/t4 on a 3.0L engine will spool very quickly especially a 50 trim. You will be hard pressed to make 500hp with the normal 50trim t3/t04e, but either way a 350 or even 400 hp car is nothing to sneeze at and will be loads of fun no matter how you look at it.

Also a jet change is alot easier than a pulley change. Jets are very simple to change out.
No, he put down 597 RWHP on pump, yet the turbo is capable of 650 RWHP. And yes, it was a T3/T67.

[Mr. Merk]

i never said "t3/t4"

that is a broad statement, i said a t3/to4e, referring to your 50 trim


lastly i was just backing up mel's point in commenting to your previous broad statement saying a turbo would be better than a blower, he was obviously only saying not ANY turbo would be better

he knows turbos more than he lets on, like he said there is a 105mm on his counter

[drewgray]

You could in theory mate a 74mm or larger compressor wheel to a t3/t4 and say it is capable of 1000hp. But it won't. It will be held back by the hotside. The t3/t70 that you speak of will never make 800whp unless it is backed by nitrous.

Hell a true T4 T70 would be hard pressed to make 800whp as it sits.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally posted by FlawleZ+Jun 27 2006, 11:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlawleZ @ Jun 27 2006, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mr. Merk@Jun 27 2006, 10:35 PM
exactly, i was making over 20psi in the low 3ks on the 2.3

u may make 500hp with it, but it wont be very efficient, you could use something like an HY35 and making that at a much lower boost level and still spool just about as fast
Holset makes good turbos, no doubt. Many Z31 guys have been using them. However, saying that "T3/T4 is too small for a 3.0 V6" is very situational to say the least. First of all, the size of turbo is only relevant to YOU and what YOU want from your car. Secondly, they actually make T3/T4's (T3/T70) that support 800 RWHP. How could that be too small? Remember, I'm staying on stock internals so I'm not planning on running anything over 450 RWHP. That's plenty for the street anyway. Its a daily driver. [/b][/quote]
i like this, id much rather have response with a small turbo than wait until 5k to start making power.

[thunderstruck507]

turbo lag is the ghey

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 10:02 PM
turbo lag is the ghey
QFT. no doubt.

[1.9lZ]

and what exactly are you referencing turbo lag too, because most cars I have ridden in / driven have no lag what so ever. these aren't drag cars so they don't have shitty spool. Turbo FTW

[thunderstruck507]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Jun 28 2006, 06:15 PM

i like this, id much rather have response with a small turbo than wait until 5k to start making power.
this is the turbo lag i'm referring too

dont even try and turn this into me making fun of imports...god damnit

if your system isn't making power till 5k its fucking lag...

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 10:02 PM
turbo lag is the ghey
wanna race? :laugh:

[thunderstruck507]

i have no problem with that, pm me

[thunderstruck507]

but for the record i'm not making fun of turbos in the least, i'm saying: no boost before 5ooorpms = ghey

i have a nice video of a huge turboed merlin 540 big block chevy in a 1st gen camaro street car that was laying down 1000whp from back home, its rather interesting hearing him launch the car...and it was even more amusing seeing nothing but tire smoke down the entire 8th mile track

traction owned him hehe

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 11:34 PM
but for the record i'm not making fun of turbos in the least, i'm saying: no boost before 5ooorpms = ghey


Hence why I'm running a 9.0:1 NA motor with a 50 trim T3/T4. Spool is very responsive. Unless you have an overly large turbo mounted to your motor, its usually only smaller motors like 4 cylinders (when mated with a decent sized turbo) that don't push enough air to spool it quick enough have bad turbo lag.

[thunderstruck507]

exactly, I was not insinuating all turbos have severe lag and are worthless...i was making reference to the reply above mine in which turbo lag was insinuated by someone else

hehe, i swear people need to untwist their damn panties and not take the internet so seriously

i said: "turbo lag is the ghey" not, turbos are the ghey

i've actually considered a cheap turbo set up on my car, but i feel without fuel injection and or a higher revving motor its more trouble than its worth

[Mr. Merk]

never know till you try it :)

i've seen a lot of procharged carb'd cars make good numbers (on the rolling road and at the track) come out of D&P in ft. smith

we can run sometime, hopefully tomorrow i'll get my front suspension on, prob wont get to the rear till next week sometime, so if its anytime soon it'll have to be from a roll, which is perfectly ok with me

[thunderstruck507]

i'm leaving for home fri night, unless i get fucking ditched again i have a date tomorrow night so it would be next thurs at the soonest

i wasnt saying carb'd cars with forced induction don't work, i'm just wary of it for a daily driver, damn holley seems picky enough as it is

this is my only vehicle so i dont beat it too hard

btw where did you do your dyno tuning? i would like to run mine and find my a/f ratio, this carb has never been tuned to the car, i've already pciked a bit more power back since the tulsa trip by working on my ignition, over the weekend I plan on recurving the distributer to put my timing all in a lot sooner as well, should be a nice improvement

[heavyhitter]

this is "only" our 101mm feeding 370 inches of sb ford .... at just 26psi she made 1850hp / 1460 ft lbs.... so I'm well aware of what turbo's are capable of.


;)

[drewgray]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 10:46 PM


if your system isn't making power till 5k its fucking lag...
You are a fucking idiot.

Not every engine has to be shifted at 5500-6000. I personally think full boost at 5000 isn't bad at all. When you can shift at 10k, a 5k power band is awesome. You shouldn't ever fall out of that.

[Jet-Lee]

Mel, that's fucking sick. Times?

Not every engine has to be shifted at 5500-6000. I personally think full boost at 5000 isn't bad at all. When you can shift at 10k, a 5k power band is awesome. You shouldn't ever fall out of that.
+1

[Mr. Merk]

it was tuned at dyno & performance in ft. smith

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by heavyhitter@Jun 29 2006, 02:31 AM
this is "only" our 101mm feeding 370 inches of sb ford .... at just 26psi she made 1850hp / 1460 ft lbs.... so I'm well aware of what turbo's are capable of.


;)
Good numbers. Where did you dyno a car making that much power at? What kind of dyno was it?

[heavyhitter]

Young's Performance in Decatur, Alabama.

http://www.youngsperformance.com/

[thunderstruck507]

Originally posted by drewgray+Jun 29 2006, 06:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (drewgray @ Jun 29 2006, 06:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 10:46 PM


if your system isn't making power till 5k its fucking lag...
You are a fucking idiot.

Not every engine has to be shifted at 5500-6000. I personally think full boost at 5000 isn't bad at all. When you can shift at 10k, a 5k power band is awesome. You shouldn't ever fall out of that. [/b][/quote]
well you've made your point, as my mind was thinking of engines shifting around 7 or before and I said "making boost" not "making FULL boost"

your example is completely different than the scenario I was thinking of

kind of a difference between the 2 imo

it was a half serious comment in the first place, some of you guys just need to stop taking things so serious

and calling someone a fucking idiot withou clarification statements and opinion is not a good way to make yourself look any more intelligent

[Mr. Inkswitch]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507+Jul 6 2006, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (thunderstruck507 @ Jul 6 2006, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
and calling someone a fucking idiot withou clarification statements and opinion is not a good way to make yourself look any more intelligent[/b]


<!--QuoteBegin-drewgray@Jun 29 2006, 06:35 AM
Not every engine has to be shifted at 5500-6000. I personally think full boost at 5000 isn't bad at all. When you can shift at 10k, a 5k power band is awesome. You shouldn't ever fall out of that.
[/quote]

:???:

[thunderstruck507]

correction: "asling for clarification of" is what i meant

but whatever, I guess the civilized intelligent discussion is a dead...I've had some of the most thug looking punk civic drivers tell me how hard parts are to find for my car and how expensive they are (both of which are very untrue, any parts store in america stocks sbc crap) but I don't see any point in calling them retards, that does nothing to continue a conversation in which both parties can learn or find a new perspective

i'll be the first to admit sometimes i'm wrong, and in the context my statements were read by some it would appear i had no clue what i was talking about, guess it would have been too much trouble to try a polite correction first (during which i could have clarified myself)

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally posted by drewgray+Jun 29 2006, 07:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (drewgray @ Jun 29 2006, 07:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-thunderstruck507@Jun 28 2006, 10:46 PM


if your system isn't making power till 5k its fucking lag...
You are a fucking idiot.

Not every engine has to be shifted at 5500-6000. I personally think full boost at 5000 isn't bad at all. When you can shift at 10k, a 5k power band is awesome. You shouldn't ever fall out of that. [/b][/quote]
ok, now how many cars are daily driven that rev to 10k and make full boost at 5k?? that would so not be streetable. ive seen supras that make way less than 200hp before 3k, that would be fun 1 way and 1 way only, straight line.

[drewgray]

Originally posted by thunderstruck507@Jul 6 2006, 05:28 PM
correction: "asling for clarification of" is what i meant

but whatever, I guess the civilized intelligent discussion is a dead...I've had some of the most thug looking punk civic drivers tell me how hard parts are to find for my car and how expensive they are (both of which are very untrue, any parts store in america stocks sbc crap) but I don't see any point in calling them retards, that does nothing to continue a conversation in which both parties can learn or find a new perspective


Fuck those kids then. I would just walk away from them shaking my head.

ok, now how many cars are daily driven that rev to 10k and make full boost at 5k?? that would so not be streetable. ive seen supras that make way less than 200hp before 3k, that would be fun 1 way and 1 way only, straight line.

How many cars are daily driven that rev to 10k and make full boost at 5k? Well, quite a few actually. As, full boost at 5k or lower is pretty easy to accomplish. Look around at how many built hondas, dsms, etc are out there. Quite a few. Not many around here, though. A 4-5k power band is more than enough to be perfectly fine on a road course or anything you wanted. True, it wouldn't be too much fun putting around town at low rpms, but that will save you gas money. So that when you want to have fun, use that lil shifter thingy ma bobber and down-shift :huh: Yep, its quite a neat function cars have. When you shift into a lower gear at the same speed, the rpm's go higher almost automatically. Wierd isn't it?

[Hailstorm]

Yaay my car has power windows/locks, climatecontrol, power/leather seats, and a DIGITAL CLOCK! and its and 89!! (...wow they had that stuff back then??!!..) and has less miles than mirks stang!!!! I WIN!! B) :P

[Mr. Merk]

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