Toyota Supra vs. Nissan 300zx

[92PreludeSi]

me and my buddy frank was discussing which was better. the toyota supra or the nissan 300zx. i think the supra, but he thinks the 300zx. what do yall think? idont really know much of anythin about either. so my argument is pretty weak.

[NismoR34VspecII]

OH MY GOSH, not again......... :D

[92PreludeSi]

Originally posted by NismoR34VspecII@Apr 3 2004, 09:18 AM
OH MY GOSH, not again......... :D

what?

[NismoR34VspecII]

we already discuss about this two cars....... :D

[92PreludeSi]

Originally posted by NismoR34VspecII@Apr 3 2004, 09:31 AM
we already discuss about this two cars....... :D
oh. hahahahaha. sorry man. i wasnt here. lets discuss again. :lol:

[NismoR34VspecII]

Look at the topic "Gtech" under General Speaking....... And start reading...... :D

[BDP]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[I8ayellowcrayon]

What did it end up at, 11 pages?? And MOST of it was debate about the two cars. :)

[juggalo]

lets debate the differences between the 95 420a engine and the new engine they put in the neon srt...i dont even know wut size the engine in the srt is...bummer

[3rdgenRX7]

yea that supra and z thing was beat to death but it was mostly opinion and not a whole lot of facts, besides what was quoted out of some magazine.

[FlawleZ]

Well here's what I have to say about it:

This is mostly opinion and what I think/say isn't really respected but take it for what it's worth.

Both are beautiful cars with lots of style.
I think Z has more but again, that's opinion.

Stock for Stock, they have very close performance levels. If 2 race, 99.9% of the time, it's a driver's race. Supra is rated at 20 more crank HP and a bit more torque but it's also 100+ lbs heavier than the Z and runs at 11 psi stock while the Z runs at 9.5. This is no surprise as Toyota had 3+ years to develop a car to outperform the Z and therefore, should.

Both have TREMENDOUS power potential and can take over 800+ Crank HP on stock internals. (Supra can take a bit more)
Again, both are incredible engines, your choice.

As far as modding, the Supra is MUCH easier to mod than the Z as it's a straight six and a retarded monkey can work on one. This is another reason why you see so many HIGH HP Supras becuase it's SO easy to slap on a massive single. Z's have the V6 design which has 2 exhaust manifolds which requires 2 turbos unless you have custom manifolds built which is VERY expensive.
With just bolt-on's, you can have both cars at near the 500 crank HP level. Probably cost a little more to put the Z there than the Supra but easily done with a well tuned engine.
(For more technical info reguarding the VG30DETT vs the 2JG-GTE, refer to the link in my sig.)

When it comes to purchasing the cars, the Z has the MAJOR advantage as they are MUCH cheaper. FF and FF2 REALLY helped to jack up the prices on Supras and the fact that everyone seems to think they are GOD. <_<
Not going into the prices really because it varies greatly but take a look at autotrader and Ebay for the same year clean TTZ vs SupraTT and you'll notice SEVERAL thousand more for the Supra.

For more information about both cars, refer to TwinTurbo.net (http://www.twinturbo.net) for the best forum on the Z and SupraForums (http://www.supraforums.com) for the best forum for the Supra.

Hope this helps. :thumbup:

[drewgray]

Originally posted by juggalo@Apr 3 2004, 07:22 PM
lets debate the differences between the 95 420a engine and the new engine they put in the neon srt...i dont even know wut size the engine in the srt is...bummer
They have zero similarities except they been placed into the neon platform. It is a 2.4L by the way.

[Verge]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Apr 3 2004, 11:47 PM
Both have TREMENDOUS power potential and can take over 800+ Crank HP on stock internals.
prove it

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Verge@Apr 5 2004, 05:58 PM
prove it
:huh: Prove what?

That the supra can take 800 Crank HP on stock internals?
That the Z can take 800 Crank HP on stock internals?

I'm assuming you're referring to the Z so I'll ask you this: Do you disbelieve that the Z can and does run ~600 RWHP on stock internals? If so you need to search on TT.net and see that SEVERAL are doing so. MOST don't because who wants to chance something with that much money into it?

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Also try Z1 there are several guys in the 600+RWHP with stock internals.

http://www.z1motorsports.com/Image%20Galle.../DynoCharts.asp (http://www.z1motorsports.com/Image%20Gallery/Dyno%20Charts/DynoCharts.asp)

[RedBeauty84ZX]

I know this isnt with stock internals but, before the supra ever even came out the JUN Z had over 1000HP.

[FlawleZ]

I was reading on TT.net and this was from today.

http://www.streetneeds.com/ttnet/up/Z32spreadsheet.jpg

And the Link. (http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg.aspx?forum=general&msg_id=1214663)

[Verge]

i didn't see 800 to the crank.. though you were talking about wheels..

mah bad


http://www.t04r.com/members/mikecarlin.html just to humor you... when it comes to dynoqueening, nobody can beat the supra man... it's just impossible

[FlawleZ]

Supras are known for impressive numbers on the dyno for 6 cylinders.

Now for some serious power, you need higher rated Dynos!
How about this Stroked, Blown, AND Nitrous Fed Viper? Maxed out the dyno and laid down 900 RWHP and 1200 RWTQ before 4000 RPMS!
http://store6.yimg.com/I/sgpracing-store_1786_4373099.jpg

[John02Hawk]

:huh:

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by Verge@Apr 6 2004, 04:14 AM
when it comes to dynoqueening, nobody can beat the supra man... it's just impossible.
I may have to give you that one, but in the past few years the number of high horse power Z's(600RWHP+) has greatly increased. Mostly because the aftermarket support for Z's has increased.

[3rdgenRX7]

werent you just talking about 800+HP Z? y r u talking about 600hp now?

[RedBeauty84ZX]

RWHP is NOT HP. and yes there are 800RWHP Zs but thats not on stock internals.

[3rdgenRX7]

yea i know i didnt read the post well enough i guess

anyway your brother said 800hp and your saying 600rwhp so the Zs r losing 200hp from crank to the wheels or am i missing something here

[RedBeauty84ZX]

assuming a 14-16% Drive train loss, a 800HP car would put down between 600-650RWHP.

[3rdgenRX7]

recheck that math its more like 680rwhp for a 800hp car with 15% drivetrain loss

anyway it doesnt matter

[RedBeauty84ZX]

it vary's, too many other factors. but yeah it dosnt matter.

[Verge]

just because it's a 600 horsepower car doesn't mean it's attained dynoqueen status... it has to have 600 horsepower and be running 12's


i'd imagine though that Z's generally aren't quarter mile monsters either... like the supra, just not set up for that...

i can tell you one thing... i've ridden in my brothers TT alot, and driven my supra around.... aside from the rx7, i've never ridden in a better car for highway driving.. find me an open road, and i'm in heaven... it's just smooth and flawless... you won't know the feeling till you've ridden in one.. but wow, who really needs a 1/4 mile track

[FlawleZ]

Zach,
On the stock drivetrain, Z's average about 18% powerloss.

Caleb,
With 18-19% power loss, 600-650 RWHP would be about 800 crank HP. I was talking RWHP because 99.9% of dyno charts are RWHP as there are VERY few engine dynos and only manufactures and large tuner companies that test their products have flywheel dynos.

Verge,
Heck no, 600 RWHP is NO dyno queen. But yes, Z's are JUST like Supras, in fact, the "Peacemaker" ran a 13.1 at the track. 811 RWHP and a 13.1. It was also at 135 mph too if I remember correctly, which is good for 10's if you have traction. NO, Z's are NOT setup for the 1/4. Too high of gearing and the suspension SUCKS for 1/4. Z's are at home on the freeway like the Supra. Also, they have a very low drag coefficient and combine that with the induction gains you get the faster you go, on the freeway they are monsters. The stock gearing on the TTZ's allow for about 187 mph on the 5 spds and 202 mph for the auto.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Apr 6 2004, 05:40 PM
Zach,
On the stock drivetrain, Z's average about 18% powerloss.
Close enough. :P