my kill list

[5point_Slow]

02 Z71
03-04 SS chevy truck
89 Bronco
99 f-150 4x4
00 jeep cherokee laredo 4x4
02 dodge slt
guy in v6 camaro with the double stacked wing :lol:
67 mustang
turbo mazda protege

WTF is up with all these guys in trucks. Does this happen to other people or is just me?


Edit:
Added on request :thumbup:

[redtopessex]

No its just you.

[Mr. Merk]

i'll be sure to race you when i get my lead foot reconnected to my leg :thumbup:






oh yah.......on the track

[FlawleZ]

LoL.....You drive a cobra and that's all you have beat? LoL..j/k....I guess that little snake on the side really scares away the competition. I've got some friends that will run ya if you're ever up in Fayetteville/Springdale area. Anything from Mustang GT's to LS1 Trans Ams to 3000GT's to RX-7's, you name it I've got one for ya. Good luck!

[5point_Slow]

I guess that little snake on the side really scares away the competition.
Too bad its a slow snake :lol:

ive got a 2004 porshe boxter lined up atm. This sould be intresting lol.

[DSMgsx]

Flawlez,
Have your friends come find ME. My snake is a little hungry, it has been awhile for her.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

hey cobra50...whats your fastest time in the 1/4? were you the one in Mokan that vinh drove your car???

[5point_Slow]

15.00 atm.... slow..... but whos vinh??? is that an azn guy with an integra or something? Long tubes getting put on friday yeahhhh still cant find that damn egr tube o well :lol: also to add to my list a turbo mazda protege

[I8ayellowcrayon]

Yeah, he drives the white Integra.

So whats the deal with the Porsche? If it happens, at least get a picture or two. :D.

[5point_Slow]

Yeah i let him drive my car and he ran like a really low 16 .well im dumping some $$$ into some pre nice mods and me and the porshe are going to take a nice run unless he gets something nicer. Then ill dump more $$$ lol.

[5point_Slow]

yeah i owned some red 1995 TA says "all throttle no bottle" on the back window, has black outs, and some really dark tint. Beat em off the line. Burned in second. Pulled far away in third. Woke up and went to 5 hour :D

[bigfoot]

hey robert you want to try a little import? :D hehehehe i give ya a run. as for the blk 03 cobra like i said earlier i will beat you, you just got to spin the tires for a while and give my little 4 banger a chance

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by cobra50@Feb 26 2004, 05:21 AM
also to add to my list a turbo mazda protege

No.. :o

Not the MazdaSpeed Protege'... :(

[Maliwho97]

Oh man.... I can't wait till the end of march. :D

[1meanTA]

yeah i owned some red 1995 TA says "all throttle no bottle" on the back window, has black outs, and some really dark tint. Beat em off the line. Burned in second. Pulled far away in third.

:..:

Woke up and went to 5 hour

:P :thumbup: THERE YA GO!! haha, man i cant wait til the cobra is runnin to full potential....then i will be the one dreamin!

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Feb 26 2004, 11:11 PM
yeah i owned some red 1995 TA says "all throttle no bottle" on the back window, has black outs, and some really dark tint. Beat em off the line. Burned in second. Pulled far away in third. Woke up and went to 5 hour :D
That's Hoff. I was cruising with him the friday before my car was wrecked. Our cars are nearly the same.

EDIT: WERE**

[5point_Slow]

hof whos hof ive never heard of this hof. :lol: :lol: :lol: hof's my hero

[1meanTA]

I was cruising with him the friday before my car was wrecked.


**takes moment of silence**.....may it rest in peace,....was a nice car man

[BDP]

Ditto, May its memories and photos live on.

I feel terrible since I never saw it prior :(


Edit:
On a lighter side, "all throttle no bottle" was what I wanted on my Elky one day, saying under it... "only babies are on the bottle" :D

[1meanTA]

yeh me and a couple buddies were gonna say somethin similar if we didnt do the all throttle no bottle.... "only babies are bottlefed" same thing either way....i like it B)

[5point_Slow]

your n/a 300zx was running 13's?

[1meanTA]

well we never really got to get side by side and git on it....need that alignment bad...i was afraid if we got up there in mph i would go into him cuz my car walks all over the road past like 70.....guess we will never kno.... :unsure:

[bigfoot]

May its memories and photos live on.

I feel terrible since I never saw it prior
i agree totally with that. good luck though what you thinking about next

[Maliwho97]

Yes, you're right, bottles are for babies. I'm bottle fed, my bottle will say that too. C'mon guys, don't be scared of a baby. :D

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Feb 29 2004, 01:53 PM
your n/a 300zx was running 13's?
Where did you get that? No way. It was closer to the 14.8 range on a good run. Just from a roll, it was about dead even with most stock LT1's.

[5point_Slow]

That's Hoff. I was cruising with him the friday before my car was wrecked. Our cars are nearly the same
Hoff's stock LT1 runs 13's all day long so i took it you were running 13's also.

[FlawleZ]

Umm does he have the slip? I'm rather skeptical because I just really don't think my car would run 13's. TTZ's no problem even stock run mid 13's but N/A's don't usually do better than mid 14's with bolt ons.

I was even with him from a roll so maybe he would hook up a lot better from a dig. The other reason I kind of doubt that he runs 13's is because my friend Weston has an LS1 TA with just whisper lid and exhuast and he pulls VERY strong on me once we get going. I can hang for just a sec then he's gone and I know he's in the mid 13's.

[FlawleZ]

stalkerIROCZ,
We never got to really race. I know for a fact we would be about even from a roll because I was in 4th gear at 80. I should have been in 3rd but he took off and I wasn't ready to go. It doesn't matter because Weston whipped him by about 5 cars or so in the 1/4 and that's about how bad he beats me so either way it would be really close.

[5point_Slow]

LT1's run 13.8 easy stock and with just gears get into the low 13's
ex. LT1 camaro 3.73s>LS1 WS6

[1meanTA]

lol, ask frankie, trevor or those other guys at lokomotion...when me and weston raced i had him all the way thru first and second, he pulled even with me when i hit third and had about 3/4 of a car on me. i also had both my subs in my car... and i hit the brakes cuz i picked up the sheriff that gave him his warning :thumbup:


btw....i run a 13.85 at 103...dont have my slip though....but u could always call and ask my dad....he was at the track that day and wrote down all my times.

(Robert's car ran a 15 flat and he has done some stuff to it and should run high to mid 14's....and i pull on him pretty damn hard)

sorry robert...not tryin to talk shit or anything bro :ph34r:

[1meanTA]

stalkerIROCZ,
We never got to really race. I know for a fact we would be about even from a roll because I was in 4th gear at 80. I should have been in 3rd but he took off and I wasn't ready to go. It doesn't matter because Weston whipped him by about 5 cars or so in the 1/4 and that's about how bad he beats me so either way it would be really close.


i was in 4th when i took off at about 75 too..........

[StAlKeRIROCZ]

Thats BS westin would be lucky to beat him by a car and a half i bet hof would be right on his ass if not ahead B/C and auto LS1 isnt puttin more out than a damn lt1 six speed. So i dont know where you got that westin beat him that much thats BS and i would put money on it that he wold not beat hof by more than a car.....

[FlawleZ]

Well it's interesting that you say that because that's exactly what Weston told me. He said he raced him off the line from the top of the hill coming down by the country club. He said when they were done he was atleast 5 cars ahead.

Isn't Hof's TA basically stock?

I've raced 2 LT1's with my Z. One auto and one 6 spd. The auto was dead even with me from a 50 roll to about 100 then we let off and the 6 spd was barely inching me. The 6 spd was a camaro with one exhuast I think it's gray or purple, pretty clean car I'd know it if I saw it. The TA that I raced was auto and it was Ryan Kelly's old TA. It was kinda ragged out but the race was real and my friend Josh was even in the TA watching so he can back me up.

I'm not trash talking anyone or anyone's car just saying what I know I did and what I know my car can do against a stock LT1. There is a nice difference between LT1 and LS1 stock for stock.

Perfect running LT1~285 HP
Perfect running LS1~350 HP

[5point_Slow]

sorry robert...not tryin to talk shit or anything bro
Tis ok my car will get up there soon :thumbup:

[FlawleZ]

That's odd because Weston gives me a totally different story. If you ran a 13.8 than you should have walked me pretty easily. However, the last 2 LT1's that tried me didn't have much luck. I know yours is rebuilt but it's stock and LT1's DON'T have near the HP LS1's have. LS1's are serverely underrated engines and with gears and basic bolt ons are deep in the 12's easily.

It's too bad my car is totalled otherwise we'd have to find out how my Z compared to your LT1 TA. Until I get another Z, I'll have to settle for watching you re-run Wes's TA.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 2 2004, 01:43 PM
Tis ok my car will get up there soon :thumbup:
Hey man your car should be a lot faster than what it is.

[Bowens99GT]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 2 2004, 10:56 AM
LT1's run 13.8 easy stock and with just gears get into the low 13's
ex. LT1 camaro 3.73s>LS1 WS6
:rolleyes:

Your gonna have to talk to john about that one......I never lose to lt1's......only chebby I lose to is the damn tracker :lol: actually ls1's

[1meanTA]

Perfect running LT1~285 HP, Perfect running LS1~350 HP

an LS1 ram air trans am pushes 325 stock...IF ITS LUCKY....weston's is rated to push 305 stock.....

linda's WS6 has a ported throttle body and quite a few other bolt on's and was only pushing 323 at the wheels and its a six speed....i think they are easily overrated engines (ls1....and lt1)

im sure weston was beating me by 5 car lengths when he looked back, cuz he couldnt have known i hit my brakes cuz he had about a car on me at the time....

and i dont think ur talkin shit matt....just a good debate topic :thumbup:

[3rdgenRX7]

well acording to westin I think he thinks he beat me. but If I remeber correctly he was a car length a head of me when he punched it and didnt pull and I looked at my boost gauge and i was pulling 3 psi-5psi. I tried to fix my boost problem but only made it worse lol

[RiddlerLT1]

Ok i was there and i was right be hind hof when he raced westin. Hof's story is exactly right. He was ahead at first and then right before hof let off westin just edged beside him and was barely pulling on hof. Hof let off when he was about 1/4 of a car behind or so. Then i went around hof and passed westin. by the way ...stock lt1's can easily run 13's. I have personally seen a stock lt1 run a 13.6! He is also right in that ls1's do not put out 350hp. I have raced linda's car....putting down 323rwhp and i beat her by 1-2 cars. she has a lot of mods too. Ram air...with a cold air intake, bored throttle body, sfc's, lots of other stuff.I will say that i strongly believe that hof's car is capable of 13's all day. LT1's are faster then apparently you believe.

[FlawleZ]

Ok. I have no doubt that a modded or even lightly modded LT1 can be quick or run 13's with basic mods. But I've personally raced 2 LT1's and they were both nearly the same. The 6 spd Camaro barely pulled me (inches) and it had exhuast and the TA that was auto was dead even and he had cut off mufflers.

I'll believe you when you race Wes on how you do. Either video it or I want to be there to see it. I know Wes can sometimes exaggerate a bit but he wouldn't make up a story that bad.

Caleb, I wasn't there when you and Wes messed around but on med boost even at half of what it should be I can promise you your car pulls harder or atleast in the upper speeds. His car is about the same or faster than yours between 20-50ish but after that it's all you. He knows your car is fast and wasn't going to give you any edge and that's why he probably started a car ahead of you.

[RiddlerLT1]

I have no problem racing him again.But im not going to go out and plan another race with westin just to prove what hof, ryan, robert, and me already know. IF i see him again i will gladly hand it to him but im not going to waste my gas and just go out to do it. I might do it to put it on a racing vid. we are making but other then that im not going to go out of my way to do it. When i beat him the first time i had 4 less mods on there then i do now. One of this is capable of dropping my quarter by half a second.By the way the auto's stock with no shift kit , are slower then the 6speeds. The WS6 and SS's and Firehawk's that i have raced have been 6 speeds. I would seriously be surprised if westin dynoed his car if it would even lay down 290rwhp. Why? b/c i have seen a lot of ls1's dyno there cars since i am in the f-body club. :thumbup:

[5point_Slow]

Hey man your car should be a lot faster than what it is.
no shit sherlock :D

[RiddlerLT1]

Itll be alright mang...your car will be fast. We will just get it dyno tuned when we put your h-pipe on today...Seriously though, if you would pay to get it dyno tuned it would run a hell of a lot stronger and better.

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by RiddlerLT1@Mar 2 2004, 11:27 PM
Ram air...with a cold air intake
......hmmmm, let's think about that one for a sec ^_^

[StAlKeRIROCZ]

Well it dont matter if you still Had your Z we could prove to you thats we are right....We never even raced man so i dont know where you got off saying you where dead even with us i mean we where dead even but we werent givin the car close to what it had If you ride in the car going 70 you will uinderstand why we didnt It is dangerous. The TA would end up like the 300 if we raced at high speeds b/c it wounders the road and will end up causing the ass end to fishtail and going 70+ we would be fucked...Just get a ride in it and you will know what i am talking about....By the way westin just is trying to look cool b/c he dosent wanna admit that his ls1 isnt much more than an lt1....Automatic is just waste of power and it is shity but we have to live wioth them...Now if westinm would have his tranny worked on it could beat hof worse but It dosent stack and thats the facts...Belive It Or Not

[5point_Slow]

Seriously though, if you would pay to get it dyno tuned it would run a hell of a lot stronger and better.
lets do that in a few months after i get a few more mods done. I'd hate to waste the money to have to retune it. Plus i have to pay that fek ticket and header install off.

[drewgray]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 2 2004, 07:14 PM
Perfect running LS1~350 HP
WRONG. try again. A stock LS1 (non ws6 or SS) pushes around 290hp at the wheels. WS6 or SS is around 320 at the wheels. That was a nice attempt though. :thumbup:

[RiddlerLT1]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Mar 3 2004, 01:21 PM
......hmmmm, let's think about that one for a sec ^_^
hmm apparently you dont know that much about ls1's and you need to do some research on them before you say im wrong. The way their intakes are set up you can have a ram air and a cold air intake. You needa go look at one. The cold air intake is actually more like a bridge that pulls cold air from belove right up to the front of the intake. The intake boxes on these have big flat opening on the front bottom where the air goes in. So the ram air feeds it and pushes it directly into the opening and the cold air just brings it up and puts the air right in front of the opening. :thumbup: take a look at one... you will learn something new

[Mr. Merk]

thanks for the info, i'll have to try it out, i wasnt trying to put you down or anything,

i was just thinking, hmm, i've never heard of ram air not being cold

so does this make the ramair hood obsolete? i'm trying to picture this, i guess i'll just have to take a look at one


on my intake (u can barely see it on my avatar) its a HUGE K&N behind the grill, there is a hole cut in the wall next to the radiator and a 3" tube from the TB winds down there to the filter, right now i dont have it like that, its just a shortram for the time being, when we get the dual TB manifold from the merkur we are gonna use 2 K&N cones (much smaller) and seal em off with custom scoops in the hood

just thought i'd throw that in there

[RiddlerLT1]

No it doesnt make it obsolete. You would just have to see one to understand it. The ram air on a ws6 is a lot more functional then on a SS. The ram air will always be cold air, the cold air intake for ls1's just provides more airflow to the airbox.My friend jeff with a SS said he had a big SOTP gain when he put his on.

[1meanTA]

this thread is gittin pretty educational! :thumbup:

:wootburnout:

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 1meanTA@Mar 3 2004, 06:10 PM
this thread is gittin pretty educational! :thumbup:

:wootburnout:
which is good, my education has been lacking since i moved to arkansas.......

:o that's right, i said it

[RedBeauty84ZX]

QUOTE (FlawleZ @ Mar 2 2004, 07:14 PM)
Perfect running LS1~350 HP

[/QUOTE]
WRONG. try again. A stock LS1 (non ws6 or SS) pushes around 290hp at the wheels. WS6 or SS is around 320 at the wheels. That was a nice attempt though.

Obviously your an idiot, considering a 14% drive train loss 320RWHP is equivalant
to around 350HP actually closer to 355HP, but hey thanks for playing. And the 290RWHP is close to about 325HP, and actually most 6 speeds put closer to 300 down. So in average the LS1 puts close to 340 engine horse power give or take a few, so im sorry but if your going to correct somebody please, please know the facts.

[drewgray]

who cares about flywheel hp? i am talking dyno and yes you are correct the 6speeds are closer to 300 than the autos

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Well FlawleZ meant FLYWHEEL HP and he was pretty close to actual stats, so why were you correcting him?

[drewgray]

350 is only for SS and WS6 the other rating was 320 (which is the base majority of LS1 Fbodies) and way too many people don't give the LT1 enough respect, true the LS1 is a better motor, but the LT1 isn't to be fucked with either

[5point_Slow]

LS1 is a better motor
depends, if you going to just lightly mod and engine and have it street useable id go with the LS1 because its light and powerful. But if i was going to build a bad ass engine id go with an LT1 with its cast iron block. Be able to stand the beating a lot better.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by RiddlerLT1@Mar 3 2004, 08:38 AM
I have no problem racing him again.But im not going to go out and plan another race with westin just to prove what hof, ryan, robert, and me already know. IF i see him again i will gladly hand it to him but im not going to waste my gas and just go out to do it. I might do it to put it on a racing vid. we are making but other then that im not going to go out of my way to do it. When i beat him the first time i had 4 less mods on there then i do now. One of this is capable of dropping my quarter by half a second.By the way the auto's stock with no shift kit , are slower then the 6speeds. The WS6 and SS's and Firehawk's that i have raced have been 6 speeds. I would seriously be surprised if westin dynoed his car if it would even lay down 290rwhp. Why? b/c i have seen a lot of ls1's dyno there cars since i am in the f-body club. :thumbup:
"I have no problem racing him again."

Since when were we talking about you racing Weston? Also, do you drive that red Camaro with the same rims Hof has?

"I would seriously be surprised if westin dynoed his car if it would even lay down 290rwhp. Why? b/c i have seen a lot of ls1's dyno there cars since i am in the f-body club. "

Good for you. What were the auto LS1's with intake/exhuast laying down? What were the stock ones laying down?

Even if he only puts, say, 280 RWHP down, it's going to take SEVERAL mods on ANY LT1 to keep up with that I don't care if you're auto or 6 spd. He actually has the advantage being auto off the line and you know the auto is consistent so you can forget about missing gears and slow shifts.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by drewgray@Mar 3 2004, 11:09 PM
who cares about flywheel hp? i am talking dyno and yes you are correct the 6speeds are closer to 300 than the autos
You're right. Flywheel HP doesn't matter except for the fact that auto or 6 spd, WS6, SS, Firehawk, whatever, it doesn't matter because any LS1 will put down MORE RWHP than any LT1 has at the flywheel. (stock for stock).

340 flywheel HP vs 275 flywheel hp.

Wow now that's not even close. True weston doesn't have "Ram-Air" but that won't make that much of a difference. Maybe 4-5 RWHP at the most.

[drewgray]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 4 2004, 07:00 AM
LS1 will put down MORE RWHP than any LT1 has at the flywheel. (stock for stock).
i will give ya that one....however don't overlook the LT1 for one second, they too can be made fast relatively easily :P

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by drewgray@Mar 4 2004, 01:08 AM
i will give ya that one....however don't overlook the LT1 for one second, they too can be made fast relatively easily :P
No doubts there. But my argument has always been concerning "stock" performance as far as this thread goes. Just as the LT1 is underrated, so is the Z. N/A and TT.

[redtopessex]

How do I join the F-body club? Is there a website?

[RedBeauty84ZX]

www.fbody.com

Yes the LT1 is a underated engine, but the LS1 is even more so. And yes I too would pick the LT1 over the LS1 if I was going to build a motor with 700-800 HP,
But the aluminum block ways 2.5 times as less as the Cast Iron which is one reason why I dont see how a stock LT1 will even be close to a stock LS1.

[1meanTA]

How do I join the F-body club? Is there a website?

what kind of car do u drive, i guess i have never been sure what it was.....well if u are interested in the NWAFBA (Northwest Arkansas F-body Association) ...(im sure u knew that) lol, but we have a meeting the first part of every month....there is one this coming sunday in fayetteville, just PM me or reply and i can tell u where it is, hook u up with some more info, and all that good stuff. :thumbup:


We also have a message board and website...but the message board can only be viewed by members...and the website is www.NWAFBA.com....but it is not NEAR being finished....

[5point_Slow]

www.NWAFBA.com....
i wish they would let me join

[RiddlerLT1]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 4 2004, 02:00 AM
You're right. Flywheel HP doesn't matter except for the fact that auto or 6 spd, WS6, SS, Firehawk, whatever, it doesn't matter because any LS1 will put down MORE RWHP than any LT1 has at the flywheel. (stock for stock).

340 flywheel HP vs 275 flywheel hp.

Wow now that's not even close. True weston doesn't have "Ram-Air" but that won't make that much of a difference. Maybe 4-5 RWHP at the most.
Where the crap do you get 275fwhp?plenty of stock LT1's put down around 260-270 at the wheels.Doug's car(LS1-Auto) with exhaust and some other things i believe only layed down right around 290rwhp.
With just exhaust and intake, i could stay right beside most LS1's and I beat a few too. Whether it was driver or not, those were on my kill list with just exhaust and intake.
You are way wrong about your numbers though....might want to do some more research when you have big f-body enthusiasts with plenty of info.

[RiddlerLT1]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 3 2004, 12:14 AM
Ok. I have no doubt that a modded or even lightly modded LT1 can be quick or run 13's with basic mods. But I've personally raced 2 LT1's and they were both nearly the same. The 6 spd Camaro barely pulled me (inches) and it had exhuast and the TA that was auto was dead even and he had cut off mufflers.

I'll believe you when you race Wes on how you do. Either video it or I want to be there to see it. I know Wes can sometimes exaggerate a bit but he wouldn't make up a story that bad.

Caleb, I wasn't there when you and Wes messed around but on med boost even at half of what it should be I can promise you your car pulls harder or atleast in the upper speeds. His car is about the same or faster than yours between 20-50ish but after that it's all you. He knows your car is fast and wasn't going to give you any edge and that's why he probably started a car ahead of you.
Thought you were talking to me at the time bout racing westin.

[RiddlerLT1]

It hit 275 rwhp and 301.6 tq. Not too bad for an A4 with just a Flowmaster exhaust. Wasn't too thrilled about the rwhp # 's, but its the torque that matters and wins races right? Oh, the owner also said if we wanted to have a club dyno day, we could do up to 20 cars for $30 a head for 2 pulls, hes a real good guy and really encourages us all to come down within the next few week

that was someone in our clube WITH A 01 LS1!!!!!!!!!!!! all of you eat those numbers. It had flowmaster. HMMM now since i have seen a stock LT1 put down 271rwhp, that would put the flywheel hp way above the rwhp of an LS1 despite what previouse ppl have said... ill try to find some more posts for you!

[RiddlerLT1]

Contrary to what most people think, every stock LS1 (especially an auto) does not dyno over 300 rwhp.

This also pertains to my comment a few weeks ago stating that it seems every near stock LS1 on the internet runs very low 13s (if not 12s) but for some reason you don't always see these cars at the track. A lot of mid to high 13 second cars DO seem to show up though.

You dynoed 275 / 301 with an auto right?

According to my calculations you are producing 345 hp and 375 lb/ft at the flywheel. Exactly what a stock LS1 should be producing in a Camaro

there you have it some more facts from Peope WITH THESE CARS THAT HAVE DYNOED THEIR'S!

[RedBeauty84ZX]

How did you lay down 271rwhp when the highest rated lt1 fbody's are only rated at 285 flywheel horsepower? The most ive seen a stock LT1 dyno at is 239RWHP, and why are you arguing that LT1's can hang with LS1's? I seriously want to see you race a LS1 and even hang with one, this is a FACT on average a LS1 will run a 13.6, and most lt1's will run a 14.3. thats a big difference man, where are you getting your info?

[5point_Slow]

ive seen plenty of LT1's that are 13.8s.

I seriously want to see you race a LS1 and even hang with one
HAHAHAHA im sorry but it wouldn'tworth the time to beat an LS1 knowing already that he can easily

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Ok what Mods does he have? Because the LT1 has nothing over a LS1 stock and there should be know way it could beat one without it being a fluke.

[RiddlerLT1]

Originally posted by RedBeauty84ZX@Mar 5 2004, 06:47 PM
How did you lay down 271rwhp when the highest rated lt1 fbody's are only rated at 285 flywheel horsepower? The most ive seen a stock LT1 dyno at is 239RWHP, and why are you arguing that LT1's can hang with LS1's? I seriously want to see you race a LS1 and even hang with one, this is a FACT on average a LS1 will run a 13.6, and most lt1's will run a 14.3. thats a big difference man, where are you getting your info?
BECAUSE IT ISNT 285 FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER...THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING...THAT ISNT AT THE FLYWHEEL.IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT 285 WAS AT THE WHEELS. YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO DO SOME MORE DAMN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START OPENING YOUR MOUTH. I HAVE QUITE A FEW MODS DONE TO MY CAR.I BET THAT THE ONE THAT YOU SAW WAS PROBABLY A AUTO WHICH IS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT WHAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS WITH AN AUTO LAYED DOWN...239RWHP. I HAVE RACED A DAMN LS1 FIREHAWK AND STAYED ABOUT 12 INCHES BEHIND HIM BECAUSE HE GOT ME OFF THE LINE.BUT THAT WAS BEFORE I GOT MY GEARS. RIGHT AFTER I GOT MY GEARS I RACED A 99 WS6 PUTTING 323 TO THE WHEELS( I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN SHE DYNOED HER DAMN CAR..... F-BODY CLUB SINCE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVENT BEEN READING VERY WELL AND DONT KNOW WHERE I GET MY INFO...REAL LIFE) I BEAT HER BY 1-2 CARS. I GUESS YOU ARE SHIT OUT OF LUCK UNTIL YOU HAVE A F-BODY OF YOUR OWN AND CAN JOIN A F-BDOY CLUB YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH, HOW DAMN SAD.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Actually i visit Fbody.com all the time and thats where i get my info, and if i remember correctly thats the biggest fbody site. The MOST any one with a 6 speed LT1 put down on that site ive seen is 251 and thats with intake. And LS1's are capable of mid to low 13's stock, I HIGHYLY doubt a LT1 can do any better then a 13.9 stock.

[Mr. Merk]

come on guys, this is getting so old......cant we all just hold hands and sing kumbiah? :nwai:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Mar 5 2004, 10:26 PM
come on guys, this is getting so old......cant we all just hold hands and sing kumbiah? :nwai:
LoL :lol:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by RiddlerLT1@Mar 5 2004, 08:57 AM

that was someone in our clube WITH A 01 LS1!!!!!!!!!!!! all of you eat those numbers. It had flowmaster. HMMM now since i have seen a stock LT1 put down 271rwhp, that would put the flywheel hp way above the rwhp of an LS1 despite what previouse ppl have said... ill try to find some more posts for you!
Ok, what did you do, hunt down the lowest RWHP hp for a stock LS1?

Oh, and post the dyno charts to the 271 RWHP LT1. That's unheard of stock for an LT1.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by RiddlerLT1@Mar 5 2004, 08:36 PM
BECAUSE IT ISNT 285 FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER...THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING...THAT ISNT AT THE FLYWHEEL.IS IT REALLY THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT 285 WAS AT THE WHEELS. YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO DO SOME MORE DAMN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU START OPENING YOUR MOUTH. I HAVE QUITE A FEW MODS DONE TO MY CAR.I BET THAT THE ONE THAT YOU SAW WAS PROBABLY A AUTO WHICH IS ACTUALLY RIGHT AT WHAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS WITH AN AUTO LAYED DOWN...239RWHP. I HAVE RACED A DAMN LS1 FIREHAWK AND STAYED ABOUT 12 INCHES BEHIND HIM BECAUSE HE GOT ME OFF THE LINE.BUT THAT WAS BEFORE I GOT MY GEARS. RIGHT AFTER I GOT MY GEARS I RACED A 99 WS6 PUTTING 323 TO THE WHEELS( I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WAS THERE WHEN SHE DYNOED HER DAMN CAR..... F-BODY CLUB SINCE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVENT BEEN READING VERY WELL AND DONT KNOW WHERE I GET MY INFO...REAL LIFE) I BEAT HER BY 1-2 CARS. I GUESS YOU ARE SHIT OUT OF LUCK UNTIL YOU HAVE A F-BODY OF YOUR OWN AND CAN JOIN A F-BDOY CLUB YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH, HOW DAMN SAD.
Actually, what's sad is I was talking about stock for stock. No one cares what a modded LT1 can do against an stock LS1. Everyone knows you can mod an LT1 for X HP or mod an LS1 for Y HP. It doesn't matter. Stop running from the truth that a STOCK LT1 on AVERAGE will NOT run any better than low 14's and stock LS1's on AVERAGE run med-high 13's. End of story.

[RiddlerLT1]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 6 2004, 02:05 AM
Actually, what's sad is I was talking about stock for stock. No one cares what a modded LT1 can do against an stock LS1. Everyone knows you can mod an LT1 for X HP or mod an LS1 for Y HP. It doesn't matter. Stop running from the truth that a STOCK LT1 on AVERAGE will NOT run any better than low 14's and stock LS1's on AVERAGE run med-high 13's. End of story.
I am not arguing that stock vs. stock a LT1 will prevail.... with equal drivers a LS1 will take down a LT1, i have no problem with that statement whatsoever. It is supposed to be that way.I am just saying that it doesnt take much at all to stay with or beat a LS1 with a LT1. I have seen a stock lt1 run a 13.6 though...no bullshit. Of coarse this is not average....probably perfect weather conditions. THe average stock LT1 probably will run very low 14's with the average driver, but stock LT1's are capable of dipping into 13's with a good driver.

[1meanTA]

<<<13.8 (no cat on exhaust)


riddler ran a 13.8 also, it was a lower 13.8 than mine though. (flowmaster...and hes done many mods since then)

:rolleyes:
i just find it hilarious that you people cant get over the fact that the LT1 is easily capable of pushing 275 HP at the wheels...STOCK! i have seen it! the LS1 is an obviously superior motor....but i have seen with my own eyes...LT1's run 13.7's to 13.9's ALL DAY LONG! STOCK!

i dont see whats so hard to believe....it may be hard to believe....but the automatic vs 6 speed is a huge difference...i have seen an LT1 with exhaust lay down 233 HP at the wheels (automatic) and another LT1 with almost identical mileage, and exhaust lay down 273 HP at the wheels (6 speed) you would be suprised....

but im not dogging on LS1's...people just dont understand that an LT1 can EASILY hang with an LS1 and SOMETIMES beat one. i have seen it happen with my own eyes...when we all go on cruises....the LT1's say right beside every LS1....there is not a HUGE difference, i dont see whats so hard to understand...other than the fact that my 95 T/A can hang with your 02 SS with not much trouble.....may not beat it...but can hang with it.....

[RedBeauty84ZX]

"the automatic vs 6 speed is a huge difference"

I completely agree with you there, but how can a LT1 lay down more to the ground then there rated at the flywheel? Also any videos or timeslips you may have of you and riddler running 13.8's would be helpfull, and dynocharts proving a lt1 can lay down these numbers would be nice too.
:burnout:

[Mr. Merk]

YAWN.... :o


this is making me sleepy :surp:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Mar 6 2004, 08:53 AM
YAWN.... :o


this is making me sleepy :surp:
Just friendly car talk Patrick. If it's boring don't read it. You have an "import-inspired domestic" anyway.

J/K! :lol:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by RiddlerLT1@Mar 6 2004, 02:03 AM
I am not arguing that stock vs. stock a LT1 will prevail.... with equal drivers a LS1 will take down a LT1, i have no problem with that statement whatsoever. It is supposed to be that way.I am just saying that it doesnt take much at all to stay with or beat a LS1 with a LT1. I have seen a stock lt1 run a 13.6 though...no bullshit. Of coarse this is not average....probably perfect weather conditions. THe average stock LT1 probably will run very low 14's with the average driver, but stock LT1's are capable of dipping into 13's with a good driver.
Well all along I said I completely agree that a lightly modded LT1 can easily hang with or beat an LS1. That wasn't my point. Also, was that stock LT1 on DR's? As far as "out of the norm" times I've seen high 12's with just intake and good tires on a TTZ. NO raised boost. This is obviously NOT normal and isn't really fair to compare anything to. Just like average LT1's run low 14's.

[3rdgenRX7]

when taking 1/4 miles times into consideration you have to consider altitude, air temp, ect.

[Triepsyn]

I've seen a completely stock first generation (89-92) Probe GT 2.2L Turbo 145hp do 14.9. Many people would argue because these cars are rated stock at 15.6. But I suppose with the right driver, they dropped it 7/10th's of a second. There are just so many variables involved it would be impossible to speak for every car of a type. :thumbup:

[1meanTA]

5.7-litre V8, OHV, fuel injection: 275 REAR WHEEL horsepower at 5,000 rpm; torque rated at 325 lb-ft at 2,400 rpm



i think ur info on the horsepower numbers and flywheel numbers are off....thats for a 1995 trans am.

i have not dyno'd my car....but u can ask John02Hawk or any of the other F-body people if lt1's laying down 275+ HP is possible.....i didnt know the riddler when he ran his car, but i know he has cuz i've talked to his dad about it

[FlawleZ]

Im not saying your wrong, but when did they start rating HP at the wheels and not the flywheel? And where did you get those specs, because every other source ive seen said 275 FLYWHEEL HORSEPOWER. The reason they rate it at the flywheel is because that is alot more accurate, wheel horse power varries from car to car.

[RiddlerLT1]

I will try to get some dyno charts. I will be dynoing my car the next club dyno that we have so i will post new results.

[1meanTA]

actually i got those from my friend's grandpa who has been a mechanic for like 40 yrs and used to have a dyno in his shop and said that many 6 speed LT1's run those numbers....he checked the specs in some book

I've seen a completely stock first generation (89-92) Probe GT 2.2L Turbo 145hp do 14.9. Many people would argue because these cars are rated stock at 15.6. But I suppose with the right driver, they dropped it 7/10th's of a second. There are just so many variables involved it would be impossible to speak for every car of a type.

my point exactly...who cares what its rated at...there is no tellin....

im still having trouble understanding why nobody believes a stock lt1 can run 13's...i mean i have DONE it, seen it, seen friends do it....what more do u need, ask on camaro Z28.com...they know shitloads more than me...and they will tell u its possible too. i beat new mustang GT's easily that are runnin "260 hp at the wheels stock" (at least thats what the guy in the 2002 stang that me and riddler stomped into the ground this summer said he was runnin) all day long...just ask stalker or riddler or cobra50....so it cant be that hard to believe...put it together.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

So why is it so hard to believe a NA Z can run with a LT1? I know of NA's with just intake and exhaust in the 14.2's and 14.3's. And yeah I bet its possible to run in the 13.9's with a LT1, but most LT1's especially the auto's will never see 13's stock.
Oh ya, ive seen a NA 2+2 300ZX with just intake and ECU beat a new body style GT.

[1meanTA]

thats a good point, but its a GT...im not saying he cant run with me....but they arent "the same"


its so dang funny...and im sure u wont beliebe me but the timing is perfect...my buddy with an 01 Auto. Z28 jus called and ran a 12.95 in the 1000ft...well hes there with a 6 speed LT1 that just ran a 12.53...lol....i wish i had proof, i will ask him for the slips. :rolleyes:

[RedBeauty84ZX]

I know the LT1 is a faster car, but with a good driver in the Z it will hang with a LT1 better then most people think. Was your friends A4 Z28 stock? and what about the LT1?

[1meanTA]

I know the LT1 is a faster car, but with a good driver in the Z it will hang with a LT1 better then most people think. Was your friends A4 Z28 stock? and what about the LT1?

oh yes i dont doubt at all the Z will hang with the LT1...especially at top end....i havent been tryin to say that the Z was slow or anything...the Z28 is stock with a a flowmaster and gutted out cat....the LT1 had a cold air intake.

[FlawleZ]

It's a shame we'll never get to mess around to see how our cars would have compared. I do know of James Padilla's Z which is very similar to mine and once he gets it out of the shop (sometime next week) he'd probably mess with you. I think from a 50 roll it would have taken you well over a 100 to completely pass my car if we punched it about the same time. I used to hang almost that well with Wes as it was.

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 1meanTA@Mar 6 2004, 05:45 PM
my buddy with an 01 Auto. Z28 jus called and ran a 12.95 in the 1000ft...well hes there with a 6 speed LT1 that just ran a 12.53
no offense, but thats not too impressive, i ran about a 14 in the 1000ft with intake and exhaust and my lil 2.9 6cyl is only rated at 140hp stock.... def not saying that is good times

a sec is a big diff i know but still....

[1meanTA]

yeh i wasnt too impressed either...my only point was that the LT1 ran a faster time...but he said he couldnt get traction in his Z...

btw.....no offense

NONE taken. :D

[drewgray]

Originally posted by 1meanTA@Mar 6 2004, 10:45 PM
its so dang funny...and im sure u wont beliebe me but the timing is perfect...my buddy with an 01 Auto. Z28 jus called and ran a 12.95 in the 1000ft...well hes there with a 6 speed LT1 that just ran a 12.53...lol....i wish i had proof, i will ask him for the slips. :rolleyes:
He should be running faster than that in both of those cars. Its the drivers fault not the car's in this case.

[SmokeyTheBear]

sorry beauty but you are talking to the guys who drive f-bods on a daily basis, read about f-bods frequently, talk with other f-bod enthus. every month and chill with f-bods every chance they get (usually every weekend). i don't know what www.fbody.com says but the LT1 is a very very very very very strong and good motor. the LT1 is what i would rather build on than an LS1 because A) if i built up 1 i wouldn't be basic bolt ons, i am talking supercharger, cams, etc etc. and B ) Aluminum (the LS1 block) does not respond good to heat. this is with anything aluminum. cast iron is the way to go when throwing down major numbers (and this even applies to trannies, trust me i have done a little bit of tranny work and talked to the guys who tub out the their 69 camaros and would rather have a saginaw over a muncie (muncie = alm. saginaw = cast iron) cast iron doesn't bend when heated. alum. does. now stock vs stock an ls1 will take an lt1 there is no doubt about it. you sink the same amount of $$$$ into both blocks and they will run dead even and the lt1 imo could probably take an LS1. just my $.02 and all this LT1 talk makes me miss my TA even more. time to go cry lol j/k.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Mar 7 2004, 08:28 PM
sorry beauty but you are talking to the guys who drive f-bods on a daily basis, read about f-bods frequently, talk with other f-bod enthus. every month and chill with f-bods every chance they get (usually every weekend). i don't know what www.fbody.com says but the LT1 is a very very very very very strong and good motor. the LT1 is what i would rather build on than an LS1 because A) if i built up 1 i wouldn't be basic bolt ons, i am talking supercharger, cams, etc etc. and B ) Aluminum (the LS1 block) does not respond good to heat. this is with anything aluminum. cast iron is the way to go when throwing down major numbers (and this even applies to trannies, trust me i have done a little bit of tranny work and talked to the guys who tub out the their 69 camaros and would rather have a saginaw over a muncie (muncie = alm. saginaw = cast iron) cast iron doesn't bend when heated. alum. does. now stock vs stock an ls1 will take an lt1 there is no doubt about it. you sink the same amount of $$$$ into both blocks and they will run dead even and the lt1 imo could probably take an LS1. just my $.02 and all this LT1 talk makes me miss my TA even more. time to go cry lol j/k.
Awesome. Great info and opinions.

Now, his point and mine had nothing to do with *modded* LT1's and LS1's. They were about STOCK performance. STOCK vs STOCK.

Somehow people got off on some tangent about modded LT1's vs LS1's and it originally was my Stock VG30DE vs what I assumed was (and I think still is) a stock LT1.

[BDP]

Sorry Matt, I gotta add my comment in there before you switch back... I've only read this page tonight- not all the others all at once, so I might not have a clue what is going on here, but wanted to say that my stock 302 motor (175HP) ran a 12.00 1000ft best and 12.2 consistant (after it warmed up). Did that LT1 have a new driver?
(Coincidentally, that is the same time KT was running in his White integra last year)

And about the "tubbed 69 camaros" People actually put sticks in those? If its tubbed with 5.13's or more why would you use a manual? I would assume its for track only but why not a 400turbo or a 700r4? I dont know how the older 700R4s would hold up anyway tho.... Not doggin anyone just wondering... I wanted a manual instead of that weak-ass TH350Turbo in my El Camino and I was leaning more towards the saginaw myself - because of its numbers and because it was readily accessible in the boneyard.

Again Matt, hope this doesnt make a few more pages, just wanted to drop my change and ask a couple Q's :thumbup:

[RiddlerLT1]

It was his first time to run the car, and the track was wet and he couldnt get traction until 3rd (water).

[3rdgenRX7]

every1 in this thread is posting about differnt things and its funny

Matt is only talking about stock and every1 else is talking about modded engines. I think if you got on the same page every1 would agree with each other.

[5point_Slow]

how many HP was the ZX and how much did it weight?

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 8 2004, 12:51 PM
every1 in this thread is posting about differnt things and its funny

Matt is only talking about stock and every1 else is talking about modded engines. I think if you got on the same page every1 would agree with each other.
i concur

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Psuedo,

I too talk about fbodys on a daily basis, read about fbodys on a daily basis and ride in fbodys on a daily basis. And I have found the most knowlegable fbody enthusiests to go to www.fbody.com, which is why i visit there often.
Yes its true an iron engine can withstand more heat, but an aluminum engine ways about 3 times as less. Also when given equal amounts of power the aluminum engine will accelerate faster. Aluminums melting point is 1220 degrees, thats plenty high enough and i dont think your engine will ever get that hot. Also when you were talking about building up an LT1 and not doing basic bolt ons and just doing SC and Cams thats not very smart. To get the most out of your supercharger your going to need the most air flow in/out of your engine(Intake & Exhaust).

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 8 2004, 01:19 PM
how many HP was the ZX and how much did it weight?
84-86 N/A Z=160HP
weight=3000 or so
84-86 Turbo Z=200HP
weight=3150 or so
87-89 N/A Z=165HP
weight=3100-3200 or so
87-89 Turbo Z=205HP
weight=3150-3250 or so

90-96 N/A Z=222 HP
weight=3200-3400 or so
90-95 Twin Turbo Z=300HP
weight=3400-3450 or so
96 Twin Turbo Z=280 rated HP
weight=3400-3450 or so

For exact numbers on weight check Z32.org (http://www.z32.org)or TwinTurbo.net (http://www.twinturbo.net).

Reason I didn't put the weights they have on there is because they vary so much from car to car. Some people remove simple things like spare, spare air, jack and tools and can be as much as 150 lbs lighter and still look totally stock while others have over 300+ lbs in JUNK in them.

[drewgray]

I, too, like the LT1 alot, but either way I would go with a LS1 anyday. take one look at this site and you will see why :) 775hp / 865 ft lbs (https://www.quartermileperformance.com/project-formulation.asp) all on stock block and stock head except for upgraded valve springs. Also, only at 13.5 lbs of boost :surp: Its a long read, but very kool :thumbup:

[5point_Slow]

i want a LS2

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 15 2004, 07:13 PM
i want a LS2
:huh:

[5point_Slow]

ls2 info (http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2005/powertrain.shtml)

[FlawleZ]

Oh, duh.

You can have over 400 HP out of the LS1 for MUCH cheaper than you'd get an LS2 for though. I guess it would be just cool to say you have one, though.

[juggalo]

i wonder if i can stuff a ls1 into my car...j/k :lol:

[FlawleZ]

Yup. Seen a 350 in a Miata. LS1 in an Avenger shouldn't be too bad. Just LOTS of custom fabrication.

[juggalo]

that would mean id need to work hard...that aint gonna happen :lol: :thumbup:

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

you can fit anything into anything as long as you got the money to do it...ive seen an SVT Cobra motor in a focus, 3SGTE motor in a Civic, SR20DET motor in a Civic, 2JZE in a BMW, 4G63 in a Civic.....Im tellin ya...nothing is impossible :thumbup:

[juggalo]

i like my 420a i'll never get anything different

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

420???...................... :thumbup:

[5point_Slow]

i wanted to run a orange 454 ss but my legs were to tiered from working out to let the clutch out fast

[sidewayssaturn]

you guys sure do talk a lot. someone needs to race my saturn :burnout: ... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: just kidding. robert, im truly offended how u didnt mention my celica on your kill list.

[5point_Slow]

ok i kicked his ass in the rain with a flat tire :thumbup: