Prelude Vs Rsx

[92PreludeSi]

i have a 1992 Prelude Si. It is a 2.3L i4 with about 160hp.

im just curious as to if ive gotta chance against a new acura rsx? not the type s, but just a normal one.

im just not sure i havent raced one and i dont want to be fukkin embaresed

thx.

[jasonslyric00]

Yo, Prelude!!
I would almost have to say on that one that it would come straight down to the driving.
You might have a decent chance and, if you DID lose, I would like to think it wouldn't be an embarrassment because I think you could atleast hang on the quarterpanel to the end.
Just make sure you :shiftingfun: your best.
(I FREAKIN' LOVE THIS SMILEY!!!)

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by jasonslyric00@Oct 30 2003, 12:29 PM
Yo, Prelude!!
I would almost have to say on that one that it would come straight down to the driving.
You might have a decent chance and, if you DID lose, I would like to think it wouldn't be an embarrassment because I think you could atleast hang on the quarterpanel to the end.
Just make sure you :shiftingfun: your best.
(I FREAKIN' LOVE THIS SMILEY!!!)

Yeah, I definitely agree with Jason. It's well worth taking and it'll be a good close race. Good luck. :thumbup:

[BlitzSuperstarT]

there is about 1/2 a second difference in the quarter mile.

will you win? definately, unless you miss 1st gear :).

my friend has a 94, and 2.3ltr and well, rsx didnt do very well... both 5-spds.

[BDP]

***Double Clutch*** ***Speed Shift***

[92PreludeSi]

i mite just hafta take the chance and quit bein a fukkin pussy then. :shy:

[Trix_Are_For_Kidz]

Originally posted by 92PreludeSi@Nov 7 2003, 04:41 PM
i mite just hafta take the chance and quit bein a fukkin pussy then. :shy:

ur scared of a rsx base modle yet youre trying to race an rx7? :P

[SmokeyTheBear]

just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it. (was for a while but i am out) what does double clutching do?

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Nov 12 2003, 05:39 PM
just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it. (was for a while but i am out) what does double clutching do?

I'd prefer you to call it, the "Import Scene." I'm into the import scene, and do not consider myself rice by any means. :rolleyes:

About the double clutching, I don't consider it anything to impressive in the long haul. You get there at around the same time as the "normal clutcher" but with a few more problems to worry about down the road.

Although, I do understand double clutching gets you ahead in the beginning of the race. Or, with a short race.

I don't really know much about it, maybe BDP can fill you in. :P

[BDP]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Nov 12 2003, 05:39 PM
just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it.* (was for a while but i am out)* what does double clutching do?
EDIT: Text in BOLD, <span style='color:green'>Green, and Blue are the only real usefull info i just added to help understand this long post better :thumbup:</span>

I and some friends call it that cause we dont know what our technique is called :lol:

Actually double clutching is not needed for our modern cars because of the syncro mesh designs. Double clutching is just that tho (mainly for downshifting)

You are cruising, you want to shift down so you...
depress the clutch - shaft spins down or coasts
shift to neutral
release the clutch - shaft matches motor speed (RPM)

match the RPM Speed with the gear speed your shifting to - give it gas

depress the clutch - shaft coasts again but still at that RPM
shift to the gear - matches with shaft so it doesnt grind
release
Thats about it. Different gears need to be moving at a certain speed to reach them or you'll grind so you gotta bring the layshaft up to speed with the gears or down to speed with em. that is what syncros do now days (they bring the gear to speed with the shaft)

when you press in the clutch and shift out of a gear like 4th, the shaft is still spinning the same speed as it was in 4th or coasting down, when you release the clutch in neutral the layshaft will match the engine speed... then you increase the RPM to match the next gear RPM like 3rd, so you'd be reving to like 3 or 4000 to make the shaft match the gear and vice versa

like i said, its not for todays cars (couldnt hurt the syncros:P). In the Fast and the Furious, they were all stupid about it, i think the writers knew nothing about cars (if that want appearant already) so they just threw that word in there along with granny shifting.

OUR TECHNIQUE:
its simple, you take off in 1st watch the RPM 2... 25... 3... 35... 4... 45... so on
around the peak TQ of your motor on your power band (say your torque and HP meet at 4000 rpm at its peak and you redline at 5), your peak is there at 4000 that is why they have shift lights so you know your peak HP/TQ shift point on the power band (so you get max TQ to the wheels in a shift), go get it dyno'd so you know the shift points :thumbup: .

Anyhow in like 2nd at that peak (4000) RPM or actually it would be like 35 or 37, we just depress the clutch and release it again quickly without removing our gas
it increases the engine rev to its peak HP/TQ RPM and reingages it.

Sorta like speed shifting, people usually take it to right before reline or 500 RPMs before, so they just depress the clutch at 500 or 1000 rpms before redline, keep the gas down and shift while releasing the clutch. That way the rpms climb about 500 rpms before engaging. same deal. just no shift

I know a person who does it often when racing.... like 3rd gear is all "double clutching" to the end and they pick up a couple .10ths i dunno how accurate it is on any other car or how safe

Actually my last clutch in this probe i have, it was all ate up, fingers all gone or bent - it was bad, cause i did that all the time (cause the cars slow :rolleyes: )

I wouldnt do it if i were you.... only when racing.... unless you wanna repair tranny parts.


That prolly didnt help at all and people from all over are gonna dog my interpretations of the shifting techniques but i dont care, you asked and i tried my best to describe it in my words. Anyone else care to give it a (simpler) description? :P



:victory:

[ljasonl]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Nov 12 2003, 11:39 AM
just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it.* (was for a while but i am out)* what does double clutching do?
I've been meaning to write these up, thanks for the reminder

Double Clutching - http://www.another car forum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415

Shift Points - http://www.another car forum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416

[Jenevive]

Originally posted by ljasonl+Nov 14 2003, 12:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ljasonl @ Nov 14 2003, 12:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pseudo@Nov 12 2003, 11:39 AM
just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it.* (was for a while but i am out)* what does double clutching do?
I've been meaning to write these up, thanks for the reminder

Double Clutching - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415

Shift Points - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416 [/b][/quote]

Hey ljasonl, how long have u been driving, a year???? :rolleyes:

[BDP]

The second process to double clutching is rev matching, you didn't seem to include that one either, you really know what you're talking about?

Also, how you and I explained the clutching technique, you can use the same "rev matching" to shift without using the clutch. Race drivers do it all the time.

I'm curious, is it better to have copper, aluminum or steel synchros? Everyone I know has steel in theirs, I prefer Copper though, it's cheaper :thumbup:

You seem to understand more than I about cam shafts and TQ speeds, so tell me, referencing your post diagram; http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416, Why dont you shift after 5,000 on there?

I know this one guy, he has an Eclipse though, you two should meet, you seem about equally intelligent and I'm sure you two could come up with some CRAZY mad scientist stuff ^_^

[BDP]

Originally posted by ljasonl@Nov 14 2003, 12:15 AM

I've been meaning to write these up, thanks for the reminder

Oh and BTW,

I reminded you November 4th too.... did ya forget B)

[ljasonl]

Originally posted by GearheadGirl81+Nov 13 2003, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GearheadGirl81 @ Nov 13 2003, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by ljasonl@Nov 14 2003, 12:15 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Pseudo@Nov 12 2003, 11:39 AM
just wondering, i am not really new to the "rice" scene, just not into it.* (was for a while but i am out)* what does double clutching do?
I've been meaning to write these up, thanks for the reminder

Double Clutching - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=415

Shift Points - http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416

Hey ljasonl, how long have u been driving, a year???? :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Seven, a few hundred runs down the drag strip, and a little auto-x time. I ned to get out to the auto-x's more. You find something wrong that I wrote? Mind specifying?

[ljasonl]

The second process to double clutching is rev matching, you didn't seem to include that one either, you really know what you're talking about?

Rev matching is in there. It's the "Rev the engine" step. It's all one big process so I didn't think it was necessary to explain it seperately. I probably over-simplified it more than I should have.

Also, how you and I explained the clutching technique, you can use the same "rev matching" to shift without using the clutch.* Race drivers do it all the time.

Yeah, I do that when I wanna say "Look what I can do" :lol: it's hard on the synchros though. I have a friend who drove for 2 weeks in his Mustang after the clutch went out. He just shifted like that, and when he got to a stop light he let it die, then when it turned green he cranked it in gear so it pulled itself forward with the starter till it was moving. :lol:

I'm curious, is it better to have copper, aluminum or steel synchros?* Everyone I know has steel in theirs, I prefer Copper though, it's cheaper :thumbup:

:surp: I dunno? I would assume steel cuz it's stronger.

You seem to understand more than I about cam shafts and TQ speeds, so tell me, referencing your post diagram; http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416, Why dont you shift after 5,000 on there?

What do you mean? The points I calculated were shifting at redline, and the spot the RPM would drop to after the shift. Am I misunderstanding your question?

I know this one guy, he has an Eclipse though, you two should meet, you seem about equally intelligent and I'm sure you two could come up with some CRAZY mad scientist stuff* ^_^

I like mad scientist stuff :thumbup: If I didn't, I wouldn't be trying to build my own car from scratch


Oh and BTW,

I reminded you November 4th too.... did ya forget B)

Yes? :ph34r:

I don't know what you're talking about :lol:

BTW, the part where I wrote about people on other sites who don't know how to double clutch but act like they do anyways, wasn't talking about anyone on here.

[ljasonl]

Originally posted by ljasonl@Nov 14 2003, 04:37 AM
You seem to understand more than I about cam shafts and TQ speeds, so tell me, referencing your post diagram; http://www.arimport.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=416, Why dont you shift after 5,000 on there?

What do you mean? The points I calculated were shifting at redline, and the spot the RPM would drop to after the shift. Am I misunderstanding your question?

Oh I gotcha, you're asking why I didn't shift at the torque peak, which is 5000 RPM, right? Well the lower gear ratios put more torque to the wheels than higher ratios. So even though the engine might make less torque riding it out, after you consider the torque multiplication of the gear ratios, it's actually more torque to the wheels.

Also, you can get a really impressive dyno sheet to show people if you can convince a place to let you run in 1st gear :D

[BDP]

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