GTech

[Mr. Merk]

that was the best $40 i ever spent, damn

Caleb's RX-7:
HP to ground: 277hp
1/4: 13.2@111mph
0-60: 4.3

Anthony's Purple Pony (95 GT)
1/4: 15.5 @ 93 (with a bad shift) (15.6 up hill)
0-60: i think 7.something

I8ayellowcrayon (Jason) 97 Isuzu Hombre 2.2L with rims, tires, a D15 engine and wood pallets in the back (just for giggles)
19.00 at 72mph wahoo!

:shiftingfun:

Craigs HEMI dodge 4x4 offroad package
0-60: 7.1
1/4: 15.26
4x4 in 1st gear and it rev limiter at the end cuz we still had it in 2nd


if anyone else wants to try it out let me know

[3rdgenRX7]

my times or with possible a bad cat and a 5-5-8 boost pattern which should be 12-10-12

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Feb 12 2004, 05:24 PM
my times or with possible a bad cat and a 5-5-8 boost pattern which should be 12-10-12
pretty damn respectable :surp:

[FlawleZ]

I want to try it out Patrick. I'll be home the weekend of the 21st and 22nd.

How did your truck perform?

[Bowens99GT]

I wanna try that shizzy out!!! Thursday night with nuthin to do cuz schools out tomorrow! :D

[jasonslyric00]

that was the best $40 i ever spent, damn

I'm glad you guys like it.

[Maliwho97]

Hell yeah man!!!! Caleb, the 12 10 12 sounds much better. How bout 14 14 18??? Hehehe

[5point_Slow]

id like to try it out after i get my long tubes put on. so 2 weeks or so

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by Maliwho97@Feb 12 2004, 10:01 PM
Hell yeah man!!!! Caleb, the 12 10 12 sounds much better. How bout 14 14 18??? Hehehe
my fuel system cant handle that right now but it would be fun :D

[Mr. Merk]

^UPDATE^

PM me for my cell if u guys ever want to try it out

matt- i'll be in Ft. Smith the 20th-21th if u want to pick me up from the NFL tournament i'll ask Morse

anyone else i work tomorrow (friday) from 6-9 and sat is v-day prob wont be able, and not sure about sunday, just give me a call whenever guys

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Feb 12 2004, 07:53 PM
I want to try it out Patrick. I'll be home the weekend of the 21st and 22nd.

How did your truck perform?
still waiting on my tranny, supposed to be pulled (it's in Indianapolis) today, i sure hope it was, maybe have the truck back next weekend if so!

BTW: anyone who wants to test HP has to find out their true weight with 2 passengers on board! i weigh about 150lbs

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

the hemi woulda ran a 15.1 if I would have just shifted :angry: Im pissed at myself...but o well...6000 lb truck....6150 lbs with patrick in it...Ill try again sometime now that I can believe it runs that low...have a lil bit more confidence

[Mr. Merk]

UPDATE:

Vinh's GS-R
15.31 @ 94mph

Mike's Dad's F-150 4.2 V6, just for kicks
17.1

:nwai:

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

15.3 was a biiiiiiiiig improvement for Vinh. when he ran at mokan last his fastest time was 15.7. just goes to show how much practice driving helps dont it??

[juggalo]

tax checks should be in soon so i can finally git mah shyt timed out them i need to find out my new quarter mile time...see if mah slight upgrades have changed it any :shiftingfun:

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Feb 16 2004, 05:48 PM
15.3 was a biiiiiiiiig improvement for Vinh. when he ran at mokan last his fastest time was 15.7. just goes to show how much practice driving helps dont it??
yah that and i was with him (150lbs) plus his system that wasnt in at the track i dont think

[3rdgenRX7]

times arent accurate enough to go by cause i know im not running a 13.2 right now

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Feb 16 2004, 08:33 PM
times arent accurate enough to go by cause i know im not running a 13.2 right now
yah but where we did yours u had a bit of a downhill advantage

[I8ayellowcrayon]

Hey, I had the same downhill advantage... I didn't see any good numbers out of that :lol:.

[Mr. Merk]

karen's (my girl) camaro 3.4
16.48 in the 1/4 but she wasnt on it the whole time

matts Z
15.3 (missing 2nd) and then we hit the tree

now i have no idea where the gtech is, my doctor offered to buy it for his vette if i find it, lol

[John02Hawk]

Originally posted by cobra50@Feb 12 2004, 09:34 PM
. . . i get my long tubes put on. so 2 weeks or so
i want to see them :D

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Feb 23 2004, 09:51 PM

matts Z
15.3 (missing 2nd) and then we hit the tree

now i have no idea where the gtech is, my doctor offered to buy it for his vette if i find it, lol

:(

I didn't see the g-tech in the Z when we went and looked. But, we didn't dig around in the debris either.. It might still be in there. :unsure:

Ps. I like your new sig, "It's not my time to die!" :thumbup:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Feb 23 2004, 03:51 PM
matts Z
15.3 (missing 2nd) and then we hit the tree

now i have no idea where the gtech is, my doctor offered to buy it for his vette if i find it, lol
I know my car could run about a 14.9 or so with a better launch (mine wasn't the greatest) and if I had hit all the gears. I missed 2nd BAD! I also had Patrick with me and who knows how accurate G-Tech's really are. Ah well, looks like that will by my Z's last run of her life. :(

[Mr. Merk]

at least we had a pretty decent 90-0 time ^_^


i have to joke around to keep from losing it, i was even trying to crack jokes in the ambulance

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Feb 25 2004, 11:58 AM
at least we had a pretty decent 90-0 time ^_^


i have to joke around to keep from losing it, i was even trying to crack jokes in the ambulance
LoL you're right! I bet I have the best 90-0 time out of anyone here! LoL. It had to be under 1 second! Yeah I don't think about it much or I get EXTREMELY sad/depressed. I'm still in shock.

[jasonslyric00]

Well, I'm glad you both are alright.
Congrats on the time... :thumbup:

I know the feeling of watching your "work in progress" go to shit in a split second, Matt, but you HAVE to think of it as a chance for a new one.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

Originally posted by jasonslyric00@Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
I know the feeling of watching your "work in progress" go to shit in a split second, Matt, but you HAVE to think of it as a chance for a new one.
very very true....if only you woulda had insurance on it....glad to hear your doin a lil bit better....

[Mr. Merk]

THEY FOUND THE GTECH!!

dont worry- i'm only gonna use it for HP gains from the upcoming mods i'm having done, no more 1/4 times


PRIZE GOES TO CALEB FOR BEING THE FASTEST!

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by jasonslyric00@Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
Well, I'm glad you both are alright.
Congrats on the time... :thumbup:

I know the feeling of watching your "work in progress" go to shit in a split second, Matt, but you HAVE to think of it as a chance for a new one.
It is a chance for a new one but I'm never going to be able to afford one that nice for a long time. Besides when I got ran off the road back in Septemeber, it was FlawleZ( :lol: ). I've been thinking and I'm most likely going to get a Z31. (84-89 300ZX) just like my red one I sold to my brother.

On a college budget there's no way I'll be able to afford a 90+ 300ZX (Z32)
Premium gas
My INSANELY high insurance
Work and service on the car
parts

Z31
MUCH cheaper insurance (probably have liability)
Don't have to put Premium gas in it
Parts are MUCH cheaper
MUCH easier to work on
Parts are MUCH easier to find

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by FlawleZ+Mar 8 2004, 02:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlawleZ @ Mar 8 2004, 02:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jasonslyric00@Feb 25 2004, 09:02 PM
Well, I'm glad you both are alright.
Congrats on the time... :thumbup:

I know the feeling of watching your "work in progress" go to shit in a split second, Matt, but you HAVE to think of it as a chance for a new one.
It is a chance for a new one but I'm never going to be able to afford one that nice for a long time. Besides when I got ran off the road back in Septemeber, it was FlawleZ( :lol: ). I've been thinking and I'm most likely going to get a Z31. (84-89 300ZX) just like my red one I sold to my brother.

On a college budget there's no way I'll be able to afford a 90+ 300ZX (Z32)
Premium gas
My INSANELY high insurance
Work and service on the car
parts

Z31
MUCH cheaper insurance (probably have liability)
Don't have to put Premium gas in it
Parts are MUCH cheaper
MUCH easier to work on
Parts are MUCH easier to find [/b][/quote]

You're probably not interested but I found an '84 for $1,000. Perfect interior, exterior is in good shape too. Bad part, 158K on it. And it needs a new clutch.

I was going to get it for some sort of project... But backed out.

Like I said, you're probably not interested, but if you are I can give you the info and some pics if you ARE interested.

I can't believe they found the g-tech. Where was it? :huh:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Triepsyn@Mar 7 2004, 08:56 PM
You're probably not interested but I found an '84 for $1,000. Perfect interior, exterior is in good shape too. Bad part, 158K on it. And it needs a new clutch.

I was going to get it for some sort of project... But backed out.

Like I said, you're probably not interested, but if you are I can give you the info and some pics if you ARE interested.

I can't believe they found the g-tech. Where was it? :huh:
Actually, that's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mileage won't matter that much only condition of vehicle. The VG30E and VG30DE run FOREVER! As long as the T-belt is replaced every 70K on the VG30E and every 60K on the VG30DE, they WILL run forever.

I'm assuming the Z you found isn't turbo right? My first choices will most likely be 87-89 Turbo 5 speeds but I'll settle for an 85-86 as well. Most important thing is it's a 5 speed because I don't want to mess with an old auto. I might even settle for an N/A because I'm not that worried about speed anyway.

[BDP]

WTF, I didnt even know there was a G-Tech Hunt :angry:

I bite my thumb at thee


:P J/K

Peace

[jchxcrx]

[sidenote] you can weigh your car and yourself at the pilot truck stop on W. Sunset.

I did a long time ago when a friend had one of those meters (i don't think it worked right)
Anyway... I think it's $7. You just pull up on the pad and push the button and tell them to
weigh you. (will also give you front/rear axle weights etc. not wheel by wheel though :( )
Also note that it is designed for semi's and the button is like 9 feet in the air.
I had to jump for it. And the lady inside laughed at me (they have a camera).

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

you can weigh your car for free at the highland dairy factory in fayettville. you just have to go at night when its closed...all you gotta do is drive up on the lil thing and look up and to the left....I wish I knew street names in fayettville but I dont...the only way I know how to explain it is to go down college and go past the matrix and keep goin for awhile then theres that road that goes down the hill that you turn off to go down(instead of goin around the damn turn thing) go all the way down that street and take a left then its on the right about 50 yards or so down the road. sorry for shitty directions

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by FlawleZ+Mar 8 2004, 03:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FlawleZ @ Mar 8 2004, 03:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Triepsyn@Mar 7 2004, 08:56 PM
You're probably not interested but I found an '84 for $1,000. Perfect interior, exterior is in good shape too. Bad part, 158K on it. And it needs a new clutch.

I was going to get it for some sort of project... But backed out.

Like I said, you're probably not interested, but if you are I can give you the info and some pics if you ARE interested.

I can't believe they found the g-tech. Where was it?* :huh:
Actually, that's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mileage won't matter that much only condition of vehicle. The VG30E and VG30DE run FOREVER! As long as the T-belt is replaced every 70K on the VG30E and every 60K on the VG30DE, they WILL run forever.

I'm assuming the Z you found isn't turbo right? My first choices will most likely be 87-89 Turbo 5 speeds but I'll settle for an 85-86 as well. Most important thing is it's a 5 speed because I don't want to mess with an old auto. I might even settle for an N/A because I'm not that worried about speed anyway. [/b][/quote]
The info is here. (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=146690556&dealer_id=&car_year=1984&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1985&min_price=1000&first_record=126&certified=n&address=72758&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1984&=&color=&cardist=987)

This Car's Details
Price $1,000
Mileage 158,136
Exterior Color Burgundy
Interior Color Burgundy
Body Style Hatchback
Doors Two Door
Engine 6 Cylinder
Trans. Manual
Fuel Type Gasoline
Drive Type 2 wheel drive


Comments
this car is still for sale. a great machine at a great price. price is for car as is. will not part it out. comes complete with a sony CD player, 4 new polk 6 and 1/2 inch coaxial speakers. new alternator, 900 cc amp battery, fully loaded with every option availible in 84. new plugs, plug wires, cap and rotor. still runs great! my brother uses her as a work commuter right now. sold with haynes repair manual. digital dash, climate control, all the goodies! needs a new A/C compressor and A/C clutch for perfect operation of and full usage of climate control. heat works perfect. needs a good tranny rebuild, or a new/used gearbox. car is missing 3rd and 4th gear. still running and perfectly reliable. it took me on a 600 mile round trip with no problems a few months ago. it is a great car, hate to sell but i need a truck. serious inquiries only please. email at therezurector@hotmail.com or call 239-470-4097 (cell phone) or 239-278-0900 (work). best times are at 6pm till 12 midnight friday - Wednesday, 9pm- 12 midnight on thursdays. FIRM PRICE of $1000 dollars. for more pix visit the site bellow. all pictures are from october '03 For more pictures of the car, you can visit http://rollerjamz.com/300zx.htm


Options Installed
Alloy Wheels;* Cruise Control;* Compact Disc Player;* Rear Window Defroster;* Power Seats;* Leather Seats;* Power Door Locks;* Power Mirrors;* Power Windows;* Power Steering;* Sunroof/Moonroof;* Tinted Glass;* Tilt Wheel;*


Some good pics of it are located here, http://rollerjamz.com/300zx.htm

It's pretty sexy. :thumbup:

Look at the condition of the seat, and its 20 years old.
http://rollerjamz.com/DSC00416.JPG

Look at the door panel. :o
http://rollerjamz.com/driver%20side%20door%20panel.jpg

No dash cracks!
http://rollerjamz.com/DSC00423.JPG

:thumbup:

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

are they all 300zx's? no offence to matt but I hate em with a passion.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

those are some CRAZY ASS gauges..... :o I didnt know things were that technological(<--big word for me) back then

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Mar 18 2004, 08:43 PM
those are some CRAZY ASS gauges..... :o I didnt know things were that technological(<--big word for me) back then

It's pretty crazy, huh? It's a clean car for only $1,000. Just needs a clutch it sounds like. I'd buy it, but I need to fix my car before trying to buy ANOTHER car. :P

[juggalo]

imma get my guages from speedhut.com they gonna match mah interior color scheme :thumbup:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Mar 18 2004, 02:41 PM
are they all 300zx's? no offence to matt but I hate em with a passion.
Why do you hate 300ZX's with a passion? I don't think I've ever seen someone say the hate 300ZX's.

[BDP]

Manufactures back then implemented every gadget into their flag-ship models to get customers attention off compeditor products. Many late 80's model vehicles from 85 up are nothing but digital dashes. Most of these vehicles I have owned are nothing but crap anyhow because of their poor technicalogically advanced devices, but they still are functional today!!! Many odometers will display "error" after hitting 100k and the MPH/KPH wont go past 88, it will just flash, fuel guages werent actuarate and so on.

It is still cool however, but they always had the distinct green glow inside the cockpit that made me sick :puke:

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

I think they are ugly(in my opinion). some of em are quick but for the most part thats the slowest twin turbo car ever made in my mind.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Mar 19 2004, 04:47 PM
I think they are ugly(in my opinion). some of em are quick but for the most part thats the slowest twin turbo car ever made in my mind.
That Z in that video was slower than my N/A. The TTZ STOCK is capable of a 13.6. How's that slow? The VR4 has the slowest top end, the Supra is extremely overrated in fact, one magazine publisher admitted that Toyota was giving cheater test cars JUST to beat out the Nissan and the Mazda cars.

Looks is just a matter of opinion but 99% of people LOVE the styling of the Z. Do you like Lamborghini Diablo's? Because they have Z32 headlights and have styling cues from the Z.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

the vr4 is just slowest top end bc its all wheel drive...it still beats a z doesnt it??? and as for the toyota puttin out cheater cars or whatever...show me and Ill believe it...till then it aint happenin :..:

[FlawleZ]

Alright,
If you still dont believe me just take it from the Former Chief Editor for Motor Trend "In 1993 Toyota had been sending cheater samples to the media to get better performance numbers".

This was taken from this link: http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg.aspx?...l&msg_id=661207 (http://www.twinturbo.net/net/viewmsg.aspx?forum=technical&msg_id=661207) and scroll down to the bottom it's the second to last paragraph.

As far as the VR4 being slower top end. Yes, it is. In the 1/4 it is actually slower most of the time because 0-60 it beats the Z but after 2nd the Z reels in it and usually has a car to two on it by the end of the quater. Remember, VR4's are also about 200-400 lbs heavier than the TTZ.

[FlawleZ]

Also, when was the last time you saw a STOCK Supra run a 13.6 in the 1/4? What about a Z? You usually don't. The fact is, the cars are virtually even it's just a matter of the condition of car (like in the video that Patrick posted in which that TT is slow as crap) and driver. Besides, Supras run 11 psi stock while Z's run 9.5 so it's still not even a fair comparison.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

then it wouldnt even be a fair comparison between an evo and an sti would it? but ppl still compair it all the time...so yes..it would be fair.

[FlawleZ]

It doesn't even matter, the cars are the SAME with equal drivers. The Supra may have a slight edge but it's negligible.

[5point_Slow]

ne one still have it or what?

[5point_Slow]

btw vr4=suck. I totally love them but they do suck. The engine is tilted at a bad angle. The tranny sucks hardcore and an SL can take one of a roll most of the time. Good luck finding someone to work on the for the price of any other car too.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

True, but id take a VR4 over any WRX or EVO.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

:..:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 20 2004, 05:17 PM
btw vr4=suck. I totally love them but they do suck. The engine is tilted at a bad angle. The tranny sucks hardcore and an SL can take one of a roll most of the time.
How could an SL which has 222 HP take a car that has 320 HP? True, the VR4 has serious parasytic loss the faster it goes but only a HIGHLY modded SL would even stand a chance against a VR4. The AWD won't make a 100 hp difference.

[NismoR34VspecII]

Actually Turbo supra's stock runs 13.1 @ 109mph..... :thumbup:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by NismoR34VspecII@Mar 21 2004, 03:06 AM
Actually Turbo supra's stock runs 13.1 @ 109mph..... :thumbup:
:huh:
Um, no. Where did you get that? Maybe with intake, exhuast and 15 psi. No way does a 100% STOCK toyota Supra run a 13.1. They only have about 250-260 RWHP. You can't pull a 13.1 with 250 RWHP and 3300 lbs. Just won't happen. :thumbup:

[NismoR34VspecII]

Stock spec from Grassroots Motorsports mag.... They tested 7 cars(Corvette,rx-7,mr2,300zx,3000gt,viper, and turbo supra) bangs for the bucks.... They are all stock specs, and the supra came second in 1/4 mile behind the RT-10 viper..... :D

Supra curb weight is 3505 Ibs....... :thumbup:

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by NismoR34VspecII@Mar 21 2004, 04:09 AM
Stock spec from Grassroots Motorsports mag.... They tested 7 cars(Corvette,rx-7,mr2,300zx,3000gt,viper, and turbo supra) bangs for the bucks.... They are all stock specs, and the supra came second in 1/4 mile behind the RT-10 viper..... :D

Supra curb weight is 3505 Ibs....... :thumbup:
Please post the link. Also, what year is this for? 93?

I'm sorry but that must simply be a typo or something is wrong because if you go to supraforums or i-supra even the owners themselves will tell you that a stock supra can't hit a 13.1 at 109. They just aren't that powerful. 320 HP. NOT 420 HP.

Any other magazine article you find or road test or review of any sort will have high 13's to low 14's for a stock 1/4 time on the turbo MKIV.

[juggalo]

why are we arguing...everyone knows...that a highly modified car...is faster than a stock car...nuff said i dont really think its possible for a stock supra to be under 14s...but hey thats just me :thumbup:

[5point_Slow]

I've watched an SL wax a VR4 from a 50mph roll. Yeah it was modded but thats fair saying the VR4 is TT. THen theres always the driver error

[5point_Slow]

I was reading an article in 5.0 mag where a 305 rwhp cobra was running 11's. How about them apples

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Show me a time slip of a STOCK supra running a 13.1 at 109, because you can barely get a LS1 to do that. I dont see this happening.

Also that SL must of been pretty modded to even hang with the VR4, even though the VR4 is AWD it still has a higher top speed the the SL.

[5point_Slow]

i wanna say there was an SL running 14.3 at mokan when i went and a VR4 running 14.1

[RedBeauty84ZX]

14.1 is about right for a stock VR4, and 14.3 would be for a modded SL, ive seen a few SLs run that with a few bolt ons.

[I8ayellowcrayon]

Looks is just a matter of opinion but 99% of people LOVE the styling of the Z.
Is that a proven fact? I think you're being a little partial about the Z's Matt...

Besides, Supras run 11 psi stock while Z's run 9.5 so it's still not even a fair comparison.
Why isn't it? Magazines and editors test the cars how they get them, they aren't going to even out the boost to make it "more fair". If they did that then what would be the point of comparing them?? That is completely fair that the Supra has 11 psi compared to the Z's 9.5 psi, they both came out of the factory that way. As far as comparing the two with certain mods isn't really fair because different engines react differently to each and every mod. Also, the Supras weigh a bit more than the Zs from what I know, so the boost difference is like saying its not fair to compare them because the Supra weighs more. Again I think you're being a little partial.

For what its worth, I have a link of a ton of 1/4 mile times from STOCK cars. I don't know the differences in the Supra's, but here's everything it has about them.

1995 Supra RZ - 3.0L - 13.6
1995 Supra SZ-R - 3.0L - 14.9
1995 Nissan TT - 3.0L - 14.2

I don't know how accurate these are, but from what I've seen on there copmared to what I've seen IRL is pretty close. Here's the link (http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~slunk/400m.pdf)

Also that SL must of been pretty modded to even hang with the VR4, even though the VR4 is AWD it still has a higher top speed the the SL.
Just because it has a higher top speed doesn't mean it gets there faster.

Also in that link, a VR4 runs 14.0, and it doesn't have a listing for the SL.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by I8ayellowcrayon@Mar 21 2004, 11:38 PM
For what its worth, I have a link of a ton of 1/4 mile times from STOCK cars. I don't know the differences in the Supra's, but here's everything it has about them.

1995 Supra RZ - 3.0L - 13.6
1995 Supra SZ-R - 3.0L - 14.9
1995 Nissan TT - 3.0L - 14.2

I don't know how accurate these are, but from what I've seen on there copmared to what I've seen IRL is pretty close. Here's the link (http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~slunk/400m.pdf)


Just because it has a higher top speed doesn't mean it gets there faster.

Also in that link, a VR4 runs 14.0, and it doesn't have a listing for the SL.
With a professional driver in both cars a 13.6 is about right for the TTZ and the TTSupra. On average, these cars run around the 14.0 range.

Just because it has a higher top speed doesn't mean it gets there faster.
True. But a TT AWD car WILL get there faster than a N/A 2WD car. The weight of the VR4 isn't enough to help out the SL on the roll.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by I8ayellowcrayon@Mar 21 2004, 11:38 PM
Is that a proven fact? I think you're being a little partial about the Z's Matt...


No, but ask a random person that is half-way knowledgeable about cars and ask them what they think of the 300ZX. Most people will atleast say they like the looks or styling.

And as far as boost goes, it doesn't matter because they perform nearly the same anyway and it's sad because toyota has to run more boost to keep up with the VG30DETT.

[Maliwho97]

What are the stock HP/Torque numbers on the supra and the 300zx??? I want to see if the Nissan puts down more power at less boost than the supra. It seems like the arguement is more oriented towards power output that 1/4 mile times.

[5point_Slow]

[QUOTE]No, but ask a random person that is half-way knowledgeable about cars and ask them what they think of the 300ZX. Most people will atleast say they like the looks or styling.[QUOTE]
for the most part people are going to tell you your car looks like ass if they dont like it. I do think its a nice body style but many people are not very blunt

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by Maliwho97@Mar 22 2004, 12:39 PM
What are the stock HP/Torque numbers on the supra and the 300zx??? I want to see if the Nissan puts down more power at less boost than the supra. It seems like the arguement is more oriented towards power output that 1/4 mile times.
What are the stock HP/Torque numbers on the supra and the 300zx???
Supra:
320 BHP@5600
315 lb-ft@4000
at 11 PSI

300ZX:
300 hp @ 6400 rpm
283 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
at 9.5 PSI
As we have seen the Supra runs on the avg around 13.8-14.2@102-104mph.This is with 320hp and 11.0psi! The Z's run around the same times with ONLY 300 and 9.0psi Why?
Because the VG30 does not rely on so much boost due to the more effecient design(better inhailing and exhailing)and stronger motor. When modified you will notice that the Supra needs around 18psi of boost to achieve the same hp the Z does at 15-16psi.
-Taken from the link in my sig

[Maliwho97]

Cool, thanks! I just wanted to see what they were rated at. My car-
1990 CRX HF- 68hp/90ft. lbs torque.

[5point_Slow]

1990 CRX HF- 68hp/90ft. lbs torque.
torquey beast

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by cobra50@Mar 22 2004, 04:36 PM
torquey beast
LoL :lol:

[3rdgenRX7]

OK Matt you are being bias. Your link is to a Z site, do you not think that site will be bias too? The numbers posted by Road and Track, MotorTrend, and Car and Driver are probobly by same driver or equal drivers. You can say all the numbers you want it doesnt matter to be taken seriously the cars should be tested during the same circumstances by the same driver(like the magazines listed above).

As for the psi part of the argument. Stock is STOCK the amount of boost doesnt matter this is how they came from the factory. If you make a big deal out of psi then you have to make a big deal out of weight, intake and exhaust restiction, drag coefficant ect. The supra put down faster times.

What makes a car isnt only straight line performance you have to look at how it preforms in turns.(which I dont think anyone cares about on this forum)

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by Maliwho97@Mar 22 2004, 03:02 PM
1990 CRX HF- 68hp/90ft. lbs torque.
lol,
90 Ranger 140hp/170tq.....stock.......woot! :lol:


OK Matt you are being bias. Your link is to a Z site, do you not think that site will be bias too? The numbers posted by Road and Track, MotorTrend, and Car and Driver are probobly by same driver or equal drivers. You can say all the numbers you want it doesnt matter to be taken seriously the cars should be tested during the same circumstances by the same driver(like the magazines listed above).

As for the psi part of the argument. Stock is STOCK the amount of boost doesnt matter this is how they came from the factory. If you make a big deal out of psi then you have to make a big deal out of weight, intake and exhaust restiction, drag coefficant ect. The supra put down faster times.

What makes a car isnt only straight line performance you have to look at how it preforms in turns.(which I dont think anyone cares about on this forum


dang...... ^_^

[Triepsyn]

:surp: Harp.. Harp.. Harp..

164hp/160tq. :lol:

[juggalo]

ooh yeah...well...i dunno my hp or torque so neener neener :P

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 22 2004, 08:08 PM

OK Matt you are being bias. Your link is to a Z site, do you not think that site will be bias too? The numbers posted by Road and Track, MotorTrend, and Car and Driver are probobly by same driver or equal drivers. You can say all the numbers you want it doesnt matter to be taken seriously the cars should be tested during the same circumstances by the same driver(like the magazines listed above).

As for the psi part of the argument. Stock is STOCK the amount of boost doesnt matter this is how they came from the factory. If you make a big deal out of psi then you have to make a big deal out of weight, intake and exhaust restiction, drag coefficant ect. The supra put down faster times.

What makes a car isnt only straight line performance you have to look at how it preforms in turns.(which I dont think anyone cares about on this forum)


OK Matt you are being bias. Your link is to a Z site, do you not think that site will be bias too?

Yes, my link was from a Z dedicated site but how is it not factual? The only statements that MIGHT be considered biased are the opinions of which motor is stronger. The times and numbers are facts.

The supra put down faster times.
Most of the time, yes, the Supra recieved higher test numbers. Did you also see my post about Toyota sending cheater examples and it was quoted from the chief of Motor Trend?

If you go to a track and see a stock Supra run then a Stock ZTT they are usually about the same times with equal drivers.

What makes a car isnt only straight line performance you have to look at how it preforms in turns.(which I dont think anyone cares about on this forum)
I couldn't agree with you more. I do care about more than just straight line performance. Why the heck else would I like Z's? They aren't and never will be the 1/4 mile king.

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 23 2004, 02:08 AM


What makes a car isnt only straight line performance you have to look at how it preforms in turns.(which I dont think anyone cares about on this forum)


I'm sorry to disagree with you here or "ruffle feathers" but that is hardly true. You cannot group the opinion of a few ANYWHERE (Forum, Classroom, Car Club, Religion, Ethncity, ANYWHERE) as the opinion of the whole.

I'm sorry, I just do not like assumptions made about this forum, by anyone. I don't like the talk thats been going around or the crap we've been getting. Everyone here is different, their opinions are different, their cars are different, their style of tuning is different, none of us are the same- yet everyone keeps making assumptions.

Drama-- fucking drama is all it is. And you know what? Drama doesn't matter. Hold your head high and be proud of who the hell you really are, what you drive, your beliefs, and how slow or fast your ride is. Everyone else can go to hell.

+ And don't get so bent out of shape about piddly shit people, c'mon..

:victory:

[FlawleZ]

Well said and very fitting. :thumbup:

[3rdgenRX7]

ok i take that back the straight line performance comment. I just never see anyone talking about it really. The times and numbers are fact but just because redline is higher doesnt mean the motor is stronger. I could through in my car into the mix but I wont do that(yet).

[asylum24]

I care more about the twisties than I do a stoplight....... :P hence why I got a mazda... kinds of handling

[3rdgenRX7]

how much is it to run at hallet? and how much is a driving school(im assuming they have some)?

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 23 2004, 11:43 AM
The times and numbers are fact but just because redline is higher doesnt mean the motor is stronger. I could through in my car into the mix but I wont do that(yet).
Just the fact that the redline is higher wasn't his arguement that the motor is stronger. He was saying that the fact that it produces more HP at the same boost level as the Supra. And the fact that the VG30DETT is underrated. It's overshadowed by the 2JZ.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 23 2004, 03:48 PM
how much is it to run at hallet? and how much is a driving school(im assuming they have some)?
I believe it's $25 per car and it's no extra charge to have a professional driver ride with you.

[95TSiEVO6GSR]

Originally posted by FlawleZ@Mar 23 2004, 05:08 PM
Just the fact that the redline is higher wasn't his arguement that the motor is stronger. He was saying that the fact that it produces more HP at the same boost level as the Supra. And the fact that the VG30DETT is underrated. It's overshadowed by the 2JZ.
I hope you werent talkin about me.....The ONLY thing I said is what I thought...and the fact that the fastest stock tt z time is slower than any other twin turbo car out there(perhaps not the VR4..Ill have to check up on that)

and again...did I say anything about everybody else hating the looks of them???? NO I said me...sorry "but thats just me"

p.s. I totally agree with caleb on the fact that thats how the cars came stock...that whole comment was 100% true.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Mar 23 2004, 09:46 PM
The ONLY thing I said is what I thought...and the fact that the fastest stock tt z time is slower than any other twin turbo car out there.
Hows that? I know of a guy that pulled a 13.6 stock. It may not be the fastest, but its not the slowest. All 4 of the TT cars are really close in comparison, its just not fair to say one is faster then the other in stock form. Now when talking about modding the cars there is a difference in performance but stock for stock they all perform fairly the same.

[I8ayellowcrayon]

its just not fair to say one is faster then the other in stock form.
What about that isn't fair? Not everybody is into modding cars, some people just want the fastest STOCK car in their price range. I'm not talking about anyone on this board...

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 95TSiEVO6GSR@Mar 23 2004, 09:46 PM
I hope you werent talkin about me.....The ONLY thing I said is what I thought...and the fact that the fastest stock tt z time is slower than any other twin turbo car out there(perhaps not the VR4..Ill have to check up on that)
I was talking to you earlier when you were talking about the TTZ being the slowest of the TT cars but in the post you quoted me from I was not referring to you at all.

Like Zach said, show me where the Supra ran a 13.6 stock. You'll be hard pressed to do so. Same thing for the other cars. Point is: All the TT cars are fast stock and NEARLY the same. With equal drivers, they USUALLY run equal times. Except for a few things like VR4 will be better 0-60 b/c of AWD and it loses more top end etc.

[3rdgenRX7]

I just thought about something. You cant say the TT Z engine is strong then the Supra unless you look at compresion ratios. I dont know much about these cars but the supra may be designed to handle more boost so it has a lower compresion.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 11:29 AM
I just thought about something. You cant say the TT Z engine is strong then the Supra unless you look at compresion ratios. I dont know much about these cars but the supra may be designed to handle more boost so it has a lower compresion.
Both of these cars have a 8:5:1 Compression ratio.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by I8ayellowcrayon@Mar 24 2004, 09:46 AM
What about that isn't fair? Not everybody is into modding cars, some people just want the fastest STOCK car in their price range. I'm not talking about anyone on this board...
Its not fair because to say ones faster then the other because their nearly all the same.

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by RedBeauty84ZX@Mar 24 2004, 07:21 PM
Its not fair because to say ones faster then the other because their nearly all the same.
close only counts with hand grenades. :lol: So it isnt fair to say that i run faster then someone else in a official track event because i was only .001 sec faster? I still get the gold.(fictional im a really slow runner but you get the point)

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 09:17 PM
close only counts with hand grenades. :lol: So it isnt fair to say that i run faster then someone else in a official track event because i was only .001 sec faster? I still get the gold.(fictional im a really slow runner but you get the point)
so is that like saying that kenny chesney and i are the same height even tho i'm at least 1.5" taller than him (he's only 5'6" :lol:) its close but i'm still taller than him (and remember i've got years ahead of me, he's in his upper 30's)

[juggalo]

i think we all just need to have a group hug and sing koomby-ya

[Mr. Merk]

that's my line...... <_<

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 08:17 PM
close only counts with hand grenades. :lol: So it isnt fair to say that i run faster then someone else in a official track event because i was only .001 sec faster? I still get the gold.(fictional im a really slow runner but you get the point)
Some days an RX-7 may be faster and other times the Z may be or the Supra. There are too many variables too take into account and it's dependent on the driver and car. You ran even with Aaron's TTZ and you were both stock. So that means ALL RX-7's are same as ALL TTZ's stock right? Wrong. There was MUCH more room for improvement on both cars. Stock for Stock, these cars all run around the same times. Each of the TT cars have their strong suits and weak areas like any other car. 7's are best at higher speeds, VR4's are low end with the AWD and greater torque, Z's and Supras are good mid-range cars (50-120).

[3rdgenRX7]

Ok i didnt bring the 7 into this but I will make this statement(its my opinion but based on profesional videos ive seen) the 7 is the best on a road course out of the ttz and the supra.

anyway.... the magazines times are probobly pretty damn close to true figures. They were tested during the same conditions and maybe by the same driver. When i raced aaron it was my first time to the track and i had boost leaks. I know this because I just now fixed them they were present before and after the reman was put in the car.

True they all run around the same time but if you get down to it one will run faster even if its by .001 of a second. In real life that doesnt matter but in a race it does.

The 7s just dont have the torque that the other cars do but it is good at mid and high speeds. With slicks you can launch the car at 5k rpms and get around the low end torque problem.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 10:55 PM
Ok i didnt bring the 7 into this but I will make this statement(its my opinion but based on profesional videos ive seen) the 7 is the best on a road course out of the ttz and the supra.

anyway.... the magazines times are probobly pretty damn close to true figures. They were tested during the same conditions and maybe by the same driver. When i raced aaron it was my first time to the track and i had boost leaks. I know this because I just now fixed them they were present before and after the reman was put in the car.

True they all run around the same time but if you get down to it one will run faster even if its by .001 of a second. In real life that doesnt matter but in a race it does.

The 7s just dont have the torque that the other cars do but it is good at mid and high speeds. With slicks you can launch the car at 5k rpms and get around the low end torque problem.
Ok i didnt bring the 7 into this but I will make this statement(its my opinion but based on profesional videos ive seen) the 7 is the best on a road course out of the ttz and the supra.

That may be but I wasn't referring to the road course tests at all.


True they all run around the same time but if you get down to it one will run faster even if its by .001 of a second. In real life that doesnt matter but in a race it does.

True, I'm not saying all the cars are the exact same speeds just saying they are too close to say one is FOR SURE faster than the other. I too have seen plenty of videos where the Z comes out on top everytime. When comparing these cars the drivers are the most important aspect.

anyway.... the magazines times are probobly pretty damn close to true figures.

In the Grassroots Motorsports Magazine issue Sep '03 they compared all the TT cars and they also included the MR2 Turbo, Viper and ZR1. The "Original Secifications" for the TTZ should do the 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 in 13.6. The RX-7 in 5.5 and the 1/4 in 14.0.

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 11:55 PM
When i raced aaron it was my first time to the track and i had boost leaks. I know this because I just now fixed them they were present before and after the reman was put in the car.

u got it fixed? halelujah! :thumbup:

[3rdgenRX7]

i got a couple of leaks fixed but still have problems

[Mr. Merk]

Originally posted by RedBeauty84ZX@Mar 25 2004, 12:08 AM
In the Grassroots Motorsports Magazine issue Sep '03 they compared all the TT cars and they also included the MR2 Turbo, Viper and ZR1. The "Original Secifications" for the TTZ should do the 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 in 13.6. The RX-7 in 5.5 and the 1/4 in 14.0.
Tom showed me in a mag today the supra is rated at 13.1 in the 1/4, i've also seen the 7 listed at 14 on the web

i think that is slower than a lot say tho...i dunno

[3rdgenRX7]

This is a pointless debate you are way to bias. In the majority of the cases stock for stock the supra beat the ttz.If you want to talk real life then there is a big difference(the driver factor) but true test times show that the supra came out on top(most of the time) End of story.

open up you mind a little and dont point out the one time the Z did better.

[I8ayellowcrayon]

Not trying to insult anyone here, but you Z brothers (;)) probably get a lot of information from Z websites, which is fine. But its not like anyone on those boards/sites are going to say the Supra is better or they'll the the crap flamed out of them. Most likely, people on Supra boards are saying that the Supra is better by such and such times IRL.

Its really not that big of a deal either, this thread is ending up just like the LS1 RX7 post did...

http://home.ripway.com/2004-3/89142/netargue.png

I'm done :).

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by I8ayellowcrayon@Mar 24 2004, 11:29 PM
Not trying to insult anyone here, but you Z brothers (;)) probably get a lot of information from Z websites, which is fine. But its not like anyone on those boards/sites are going to say the Supra is better or they'll the the crap flamed out of them. Most likely, people on Supra boards are saying that the Supra is better by such and such times IRL.

Some of the info I've posted has been from Z related sites but that's irrelevant because what information that I've posted have been from magazine articles that were simply uploaded to the websites. They weren't from some biased group of Z owners. You're right about people being biased on particular forums, they ALL are that way. But, if you'll take a look at TwinTurbo.net, most of the people there are VERY knowledgeable and while as they may be biased, it doesn't affect reality.

As far was what my brother posted, that was from Grassroots Motorsports and the stats that were listed in that magazine were factory specs.

And you're right, it doesn't matter but all I was trying to prove was that you can't always assume or single out a particular "slowest TT car" like some people do. And I'm saying that for all the cars whether it be the 7, Supra, Z or VR4.

[3rdgenRX7]

if they were factory spec then they got it wrong because the rx7 was rated at 13.9

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 24 2004, 11:46 PM
if they were factory spec then they got it wrong because the rx7 was rated at 13.9
Knowing this, is it now fair to assume automatically that the Supra runs a 13.1 in the 1/4 JUST because this magazine said that?

It doesn't matter, whatever's right is right and you'll have to take that up with Grassroots Motorsports. All I did was quote exactly what they said and it says in BIG BOLD letters "Original Specifications".

[3rdgenRX7]

I wonder if you quoted this magazine because it had a the slowest times anywere for the 7???? plus Ive come to the point were i dont car about drag racing that much anymore. Im going to learn to drive my car on the track where it is proven that it is the best out of any other car in its price range and some well above it.

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 25 2004, 12:08 AM
I wonder if you quoted this magazine because it had a the slowest times anywere for the 7???? plus Ive come to the point were i dont car about drag racing that much anymore. Im going to learn to drive my car on the track where it is proven that it is the best out of any other car in its price range and some well above it.
No, I simply quoted this magazine because it was a new magazine we got from Tom and it was the first one I thought of. I could care less what times it's rated at. It doesn't matter, none of it does, only what that display says when you finish the 1/4.

As far as "driving on the track" I'm guessing you are referring to road racing or Auto X? That's a good idea. It's more enjoyable IMO, and all the previous cars we've been talking about were meant for the curves anyway. I have no doubt the 7 is the best in cornering of the 4 Japanese Supercars but the MR2 Turbo comes in very close and is by far the best "bang-for-buck".

[NismoR34VspecII]

Hey caleb, ummm ive seen some 7's run into the mid 13's before, and my best motoring video said it runs sometimes low 13's, but really i just think everyone is up and tight bout the times or specs of an car now.... I could care less if the specs, came from an mag or sources from the internet, but really i think some people is just over rating things to hard, even if they love this type of car or not, but any car out their can satisfy an comsumer no matter car it is......... :thumbup:

[3rdgenRX7]

Yea i know they have been tested lower i was just saying that mazda rated it at a 13.9....... i dont think there is anything else to say on this topic

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Mar 25 2004, 05:11 PM
i dont think there is anything else to say on this topic

Agreed. ^_^

I don't see a need to close this topic as maybe someone will have something meaningful to add to this topic later on, but if we don't close it now, people are going to keep commenting now.

Your thoughts, Caleb?

[3rdgenRX7]

leave it open and if people dont get the point that there is nothing else to say about this part of the topic then I will close it

[5point_Slow]

so who has the gtech or is it still lost?

[RedBeauty84ZX]

We found the Gtech, but its ruined.

[Mr. Merk]

ruined? your dad told my mom its fine? i still want it back either way

[FlawleZ]

I still haven't even seen it.

[Mr. Merk]

its cool your brother said he'd bring it to me monday



crap i am sore....a week on crutches

but i'm starting to build some muscle, that is a plus

[BDP]

Thats good to hear Patrick!

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by MerkurV6Truck@Mar 26 2004, 03:21 PM
its cool your brother said he'd bring it to me monday

I see. Make sure you find him because he just informed me that he has been suspended for skipping. :lol: I don't know when it takes affect but I'm assuming Monday.

[Mr. Merk]

:rolleyes:


maybe see if josh can bring it?

btw: my floor plate came today so i have everything to get my truck back on the road :D now its just a matter of getting my mechanic to put it back together, he still hasnt started on the headers

[Verge]

the Z bias here is just out of control... it seems like every z owner you meet, just talks smack about supra's... it's like they have some sort of small penis inflatuation with the supra... why do you guys get so damn defensive ??


here is why I think the supra is a better car

1. 300z's are about as reliable as a dsm... my brother has spent 7-8 grand on his in repairs... every other z owner i've talked too has classified the Z as a "high maintinence car"... the supra is not this way, made of quality components.. suspension, motor, everything... very reliable cars, even after being modded...

2. engine... try running 998 rwhp on a z... POP... not gonna handle it, i don't know how you can honestly every say anything bad about an engine that can routinely take 800 horsepower on stock internals... there are highly modded 2jz's in the 150,000+ mile range bringing back perfect compression checks... it is without a doubt one of the best engines ever made... although it does have it's downfalls

3. braking ?? supra brakes == pwnz ... i could be wrong on this, but i believe the supra held the car and driver 60-0 distance record for like 8 or 9 years... impressive from a giant fat 8 year old car

4. supra's have the option of a 6 speed... which also can handle outrageous amounts of power

why i think the Z is a better car

1. doens't have a giant ass on it like the supra...

2. doesn't have a back seat

3. parts are cheaper

4. cars are about 1/2 the price

5. competes very well with a supra, considering it was designed 3 years beforehand, and toyota had 3 years worth of planning to make a car that could outperform it... gj nissan



as far as looks go, the supra is nice and smooth, whereas the Z has this very agressive, mean look too it... tie

[3rdgenRX7]

umm...... lets not try to start this again plz. I know you just felt like tossing in you .02 since u own a supra, thats fine but leave it at this.

[Verge]

i posted reasons why i like z's better than supra's... how am i trying to start a fight doing that ?


i'm just saying, every z owner you find bashes on the supra.. they come troll supraforums all the damn time.. it's so annoying.. like they have something to prove

[3rdgenRX7]

Im not saying you were trying to start a fight. You were fair and said it was a tie but I could see someone coming in at starting the fight over which engine is better from your statement about reliability and HP

[Verge]

300z engine is reliable as can be... it's some other things...

[3rdgenRX7]

Im not even going to pretend to know which one is better. So, all I am saying is just dont let this get out of control again. You are not doing that Verge but other people might start something, and I am saying dont do it.

[Verge]

i'm not, you need address the other forum members, since i'm sure i'll get flamed like a mofo for my opinions... but whatever, figured i'd at least paint another side of the story for the non-biased members of the board

[5point_Slow]

i know what to do. Both cars are gay get a skyline :D

[NismoR34VspecII]

alright, i can talk bout skyline's all day long......... :thumbup:

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by Verge@Apr 3 2004, 01:20 PM
it seems like every z owner you meet, just talks smack about supra's... it's like they have some sort of small penis inflatuation with the supra... why do you guys get so damn defensive ??


LOL, thats funny, if you talk to any one with a Supra there twice as bad. They think there car is so much better being the "All Mighty Supra". BTW where on earth did you hear the supra held some kind of record for braking???

1000 HP Z (No NOS low BOOST)- http://www.z1motorsports.com/Videos/DynoVi...er-811RWHPa.mpg (http://www.z1motorsports.com/Videos/DynoVideos/The%20Peacemaker/Peacemaker-811RWHPa.mpg)

[RedBeauty84ZX]

Originally posted by Verge@Apr 3 2004, 01:20 PM
, and toyota had 3 years worth of planning to make a car that could outperform it... gj nissan.

Yes, but they started production of the Supra in 88, and was set to release in late 90'.

- the release of the Supra was in fact delayed in 1990 as the Z was thought to be too far ahead and time was needed to improve the Supra so that it would be able to compete.

That was was said by a toyota rep.

I Checked the braking from a car and driver mag, it braked at 165 ft. from 70-0, the 300ZX braked 166ft. from 70-0, and the RX-7 braked 161. from 70-0.

[Verge]

"in a 1997 Car and Driver 10 Best issue, a Supra Turbo automatic had the best 70-0 braking distance of 149 feet, something I've yet to see bettered in the magazines I subscribe to"


http://www.mkiv.com/publications/car&driver/3_97/page3.jpg


165 feet in car and driver... it appears you were mistaken... and where did you get that "fact" from, twinturbo.net perhaps ?? or perhaps you are looking at the automatic, targa version of the car, which has weight disadvantages... and isn't really fair to be compared with a standard 300z


that was 998 horsepower on stock internals... taken directly from the site you linked too

"With proper internal modification of the engine consisting of pistons, rods, larger valves, stiffer springs, and larger cams, this package will produce 800RWHP figures at 32-34psi of boost pressure. You will need a fully-built engine to handle this power level"

32 psi.. low boost... riiiight... new internals... riiiight, you are comparing apples to oranges, there are several supra's dropping 800 horsepower on stock internals... how many z's are doing that ? I mean it costs like 3 grand just to get ur Z to 450 to the wheels..


if you wish to continue this discussion, please only compare relevant items, and get your facts strait

[OMG PWNIES!!!]

first off the braking issue has already been discussed, but to add to the discussion, even the n/a supra with smaller brakes does 70-0 in 160ft

reasons why i think the supra is better:

-strong reliable engine and tranny
-excellent slalom speed - 68.5
-"cheap" to make power - about 1-1.5k will get about 400rwhp after that its big single kits which can be expensive which blows

reasons why i think the Z is better (i dont really know that much about them but here is what i think from what i know):

-good slalom speed - 66.4 mph
-2 seater
-cheaper

reasons why i think the -7- is better (same as above, dont know much):
-oustanding slalom speed - 69.8 mph
-ROTARY!!! - they are just pimp
-.98g skidpad

point is...there are all strengths and weaknesses of each car...matt, as much as i think your a cool guy, i think if someone says a supra is cool, just let it go, its their opinion which they are entitled to, not everyone wants to listen to why you think the 300zx is the best car created. also 3rdgenRX7, i dont really know you, but your reply to verges first post on page 9 was directly aimed at him which you said was not.

that being said, i want to clear up some things from my point of view

-supra owners are so cocky because everyone hates on them
-supras are overrated...yeah, i said it, a supra owner said his car was overrated, but whats so wrong with enjoying what you have? only real car geeks would know about how cool Z's and -7-'s are and they are appreciated by those, the supra just gets so much attention because thats just the way things happened over time.
-Z's are not the greatest car created...accept it, so when someone says something is better than a Z, just let it go, because it just might be, you say that everyone hates on the Z, so you can show why you think it doesnt suck, but sorry matt, it just seems like you go so far as to prove why the other car sucks big balls. if someone proves a point that one aspect of another car is better, you can say that yours is good too, but dont get the other car involved...you are biased matt, everyone is biased to their car, but you just take it a step to far
-why dont we compare n/a to n/a because that is what you did own...that would be fun, and why does it always have to get so personal, why cant we just have a discussion about strengths and weaknesses, it always ends up w/ someone hating on someone elses car

no hard feelings to anyone on here...matt i hope i didnt hurt you but some things just needed to be said.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

First off this isnt Matt, this is Zach. 2nd yes I am biased.

But know I was not mistaken on my input about the braking : http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/ar..._93cdsupra.html (http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/9_93cdsupra.html) .

As you can see both cars are standards NOT autos.

Yes the Supra has 1 inch bigger discs then the Z, but it also ways 100 pounds more as an average, so it needs bigger brakes. But yes the Supra does brake better then the Z, but the 7 DOES out handle it and DOES out brake it.

And you can easilly get 400whp+ for 1k out of a Z. intake, ECU, and just cut off the exhaust and thats 100HP gain, thats like 700 dollars. And for 15K you can have a 1000HP Z, and the Z video i sent you was of the "PeaceMaker" it was running somewhere around 27-28 PSI in the video. There hoping to put down 1000 to the wheels next run.

[FlawleZ]

I wasn't going to say anything at all after reading all these new posts but I need to clear a few things up.

1. I was never, in any way, attacking anyone personally.
2. LoL..I just laugh when I think about it, I DON'T think the Z is best. That's about as smart as saying a muffler gives you 20+RWHP :lol:
3. I actually wasn't trying to prove one was better than the other, they both have their advantages/disadvantages.
4. Start a thread on Supraforums about how well you think the Z is built (whether you think so or not) and just make a nice, complimenting post about it expressing your thoughts and see what people say. I guarrantee you people will not only flame you but they will diss the Z beyond belief. Having said that, I'll admit that TwinTurbo.net is not the greatest Supra support forum either. This is to be expected, it's a Z forum as Supraforums are supra forums but many of the members are just too immature and close minded.
5. I LOVE the fact that you brought up N/A's vs N/A's. This isn't compared much because trust me, I've seen it first hand on both forums and N/A's don't get much respect at all as far as performance. You get "Just sell it and get a TT." <_< Discouraging to say the least. Personally, I've done some mild researching into N/A Supras because I was curious to see how the N/A Z stacked up againsted the N/A Supra. Correct me if I'm wrong but a good running 5 spd N/A Supra averages 180ish RWHP stock. The Z is the same. They both seem to be pretty well tuned stock as well. After all the bolt on's you're lucky to see 210 RWHP or so for the Z and I think the Supra is the same.

I understand where you are coming from Bryan but just as I'm biased to the Z's, so are you and Verge. It's fine with me though, because what's wrong with having pride in a car you own? Also, check on the SoCal forum on Supraforums. There's talk of a Supra vs Z meet at the track. Things went over not too bad there. I think both are awesome cars and the the Z is as close as it gets to a Supra and vice versa (MKIV Supras and Z32 300ZX's). If people would grow up and just respect two very well designed cars and enjoy them for what they are, CARS for cryin' out loud, people would be a lot happier.
:thumbup:

[OMG PWNIES!!!]

Originally posted by RedBeauty84ZX@Apr 3 2004, 11:06 PM
First off this isnt Matt, this is Zach. 2nd yes I am biased.

But know I was not mistaken on my input about the braking : http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/ar..._93cdsupra.html (http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/9_93cdsupra.html) .

As you can see both cars are standards NOT autos.

Yes the Supra has 1 inch bigger discs then the Z, but it also ways 100 pounds more as an average, so it needs bigger brakes. But yes the Supra does brake better then the Z, but the 7 DOES out handle it and DOES out brake it.

And you can easilly get 400whp+ for 1k out of a Z. intake, ECU, and just cut off the exhaust and thats 100HP gain, thats like 700 dollars. And for 15K you can have a 1000HP Z, and the Z video i sent you was of the "PeaceMaker" it was running somewhere around 27-28 PSI in the video. There hoping to put down 1000 to the wheels next run.
i know you arent matt...finally this is getting better...like i said and matt said also...there is nothing wrong with taking pride in your car...whether its overrated or not...i dunno about many other people, but cars is my life...its just so stupid to come onto forums and see people flaming each other about stupid crap like this

ps: supras are teh pwnz0rz :P :rolleyes: especially the n/a ones

edit: page 10 is mine!!11!1!!1

[Verge]

Originally posted by RedBeauty84ZX@Apr 4 2004, 12:06 AM
just cut off the exhaust and thats 100HP gain
dude, don't do that to a poor Zcar... cmon man.. nasty



the 149 ft mark in the 97 car and driver i don't know how they got it... but it's in the magazine... TWO times..in two different issues.. and i'm with the other guy, i've never seen any real world car beat that yet(although i'm pretty sure some have)... i'm only aware of minor minor differences in the 97-98 supra's as opposed to the 93-96... maybe they were using better tires or something, i dunno




and matt, actually there are threads concerning 300z's all the time on supraforums... without flaming... the only car i see the supraforums consistantly hate on is the poor rx7, and it's reliability issues... there's actually a significant amount of members on SF that are Z owners

[FlawleZ]

Originally posted by btm7687@Apr 3 2004, 11:36 PM
edit: page 10 is mine!!11!1!!1
That looks familiar. LoL :lol: . Hmmm....I'm not even going to mention where it's usually found at because if you know what I'm talking about, there's no need to mention it.

[5point_Slow]

as i said before
supra and z < skyline

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by Verge@Apr 4 2004, 12:51 AM
and matt, actually there are threads concerning 300z's all the time on supraforums... without flaming... the only car i see the supraforums consistantly hate on is the poor rx7, and it's reliability issues... there's actually a significant amount of members on SF that are Z owners
People just dont like what they dont understand. The rotary can be very reliable without boost. It can also be reliable with boost if it is done right, but most of the time it isnt done right.

[3rdgenRX7]

Originally posted by btm7687@Apr 3 2004, 10:59 PM
also 3rdgenRX7, i dont really know you, but your reply to verges first post on page 9 was directly aimed at him which you said was not.


The first post was but the other post wasnt. Me and Triepsyn had asked people not to start the fighting up again.

[RedBeauty84ZX]

ok, its all cool guys. Im done with this thread anywayz. ^_^

[Triepsyn]

You want to see a flamefest? Tell people you like Probe GT's. :lol:

The only support forums for these are Probe forums themselves, anywhere else you go you won't get an ounce of respect. Makes you wonder if people really mean it when they say they respect any form of speed. Regardless of what it is..

I like how the last 2 pages of this thread were an actual discussion rather than a big argument. For that I commend you; Verge, Flawlez, BTM & RedBeauty84Z. You all held the total respect factor..

I sound like a hippy art teacher. "I want to be the stoner in class who gets the art teacher pregnant" ... :lol:

[Polytheneguy]

What if the art teacher is a guy? :surp: That'd take talent, but hey, whatever floats your boat. Probes? *Flame on* What kind of person likes probes? hehe. jk

Jared

[BDP]

I wont go into much detail about how much I hate certain aspects of the Probes (2nd gen) because there are peeps who will hate on me over it.

IMO, my probe (2.0 MTX) has been the most perfectly reliable vehicle EVAR!!!!
I have never EVER had a problem with its reliability. The Driver's side wheel is even all tilted at an angle which helps out my cornering but tears up tires alot. Even tho shops have no idea what is the matter with the wheel, its never caused many issues. The MIL has never came on, it has never taken too many crank cycles to start and it has never stalled or died. It burns MONDO oil (rings or vavle guides) from high speeds on the paper route and cold starts, but it has never leaked ANYTHING.

I have FUBARed that car to hell and back and it still runs. So in my opinion, my daughter will recieve a probe!

On the other hand, the trim pieces, panels, exterior pieces are all made so shitty it reminds me of neon construction. But like I said, my probe burns MONDO oil from high speeds on the paper route and cold starts, but it has never leaked ANYTHING.