Short ram or cold air?

[94sentra_se]

Which is better short ram air intake or cold air? :surp:

[04Mazda6s]

I believe that a short ram air intake is shorter than the cold air intake so the air doesn't have that much farther to travel putting less strain on the engine to suck in air. The CAI is more or less mounted outside the engine bay to get colder air than whats in the engine bay. Personally I'd take the colder air than the engine bay but thats just opinion. I've heard that CAI's out perform the SRS (Short Ram system) but thats just hearsay

[jasonslyric00]

Originally posted by 73Stang@Jan 5 2004, 08:27 PM
I've heard that CAI's out perform the SRS (Short Ram system) but thats just hearsay
9 times out of 10, they do. Not only because the air is cooler and more combustible, but also, when you have the CAI, the filter is usually in a place that will allow it to pick up a little more air, possibly much more, depending on your front bumper. The SRS is usually sittin' behind a headlight (in imports...Hondas, anyways) so it's not catchin' a shitload of air.

I can't wait to run a SRS through my headlight on the track. Ram air AND cold air. Sucks that I have to take my headlight out for it because ONE of the bolts holding it on goes though a lip that is UNDER my bumper, so I have to take off the whole damn thing, at least once to get that bolt out.

[Triepsyn]

Most definitely CAI if you can wing the price. Short Ram sucks in the hot air from your engine bay. Common sense says that the colder the air, the better your motor will perform. Although Steve from PP has says some things about cracked gaskets & wearing of the motor quicker, I still think it is worth it. CAI all the way.

Digressing.. One thing that you might look into doing is getting a Cold Air Intake setup... Making your own RAM-Air setup & connecting the hose to the CAI filter to get much more air. I know many people who've done it and have been very impressed with the output.

The Downside: When it rains, you have to disconnect the RAM-Air hose if you're driving on the street because you may get water in your intake.. Which, is yeah, bad.

[jasonslyric00]

Originally posted by Triepsyn@Jan 6 2004, 08:24 AM

The Downside: When it rains, you have to disconnect the RAM-Air hose if you're driving on the street because you may get water in your intake.. Which, is yeah, bad.
Exactly...
I didn't think about that...
You have to get one of those bypass valve/filter things and CAI's with those included cost a bitchload(??) because the guy selling it knows you need it.
But, like Triepsyn said, you can always just have it convertible to Ram air in the event that it rains...a SMALL inconvenience, assuming you don't wear out your clamps loosening and tightening them all the time.

[Triepsyn]

Yeah, thats the setup Lazarus has on his ride. CAI with RAM-Air convertable. He doesn't mind disconnecting it when there is a large amount of rain on the road. It's just a convenience factor, but I see it being worth it. :thumbup:

[2quick4u]

Depends if your all motor or using turbo or supercharger in my opinion. I used a ram air on my supercharged engine and ran identical times verses short intake. My turbo car runs the same also. I was told by the guy who rebuilt my supercharger that the air heats up by being forced in anyways and the intercooler on my turbo setup is the only thing that mattered on it. Now on a motor without those goodies i have heard many testimonies that ram air is the way to go as it actually did make a difference in the "real world" driving.

[Maliwho97]

I have had better luck w/ a short ram, w/ a heat shield, then running ducting from the shied to a cold air location. Weapon R makes a good setup for this. Short Rams help out on torque, CAI's tend to have more power in the upper RPM range. I say go turbo. All motor has eternal lag.

[juggalo]

well...heres my two cents worth...lol....i run the short ram...because of the water factor...my engine set up allows for the cold air to enter the srs...because the tubing bends out to where my stock inlet is...i havent run a cai due to the fact that im broke...and i cant afford a vapor lock :D :D

[Maliwho97]

Damn, what is this shit. NWA is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation, and people don't have any $$$. I've invested almost $10,000 in my CRX in less that a year damnit, you people need to work harder! Haha

[juggalo]

shyt it may be growing fast but we still some broke assed mofos...you need to hook me up with a 1000 dollar loan so i can get mah body kit...lol...mister money bags up in here...lol :shiftingfun:

[jasonslyric00]

Some of us "older" cats have to split our funds up among other things...
Like I said, I've done the full time thing, but now, with a new house and wedding to pay for (See "CL on hold"), most of the money DOESN'T make it into the car.

[5point_Slow]

A k&n replacement filter is always good is your short on cash.

[I8ayellowcrayon]

Especially on a Honda, a CAI would in most cases work best. An all motor Civic or Accord that has some advanced timing loves to suck in some air. Its kind of the same guideline as going with a bigger exhaust. With an SRS you'll have no pull, the air is just there for the taking (like 3"exhaust on a NA setup), and it is just the opposite on a longer CAI (more like 2.25, 2.5).

There is always a vacuum in the intake tube, no matter what system you use. With a longer tube, the vacuum is greater; which pulls more air. Which really means your throttle response won't be as good, but once you start pulling air in, it keeps getting more and more. With I/H/E and some advanced timing a CAI should work best.

I had a D15B7 in my Civic, CAI, header, stock exhaust, AEM cam gear (5*advanced), D16A6 cam, and a B&M FPR. With that setup I pulled almost the same numbers as I got from my V6 Olds Alero. The cone filter was right above the stock lower air box, so it was still sucking hot engine bay air, but the longer tube was creating that vacuum pull and sucking more air into the engine. With the same setup, (I cut my pipe so I could mount my filter on a JRSC, so I couldn't use the pipe again) I mounted the filter straight off of the intake manifold. It didn't pull near as hard.

[Mr. Merk]

i've had 3 diff variations CBE (crude but effective) cold air intakes and 3 different short rams, i'm using a short ram right now just because of sound, but i've got the twin throttlebody/upper intake manifold and hood scoops coming in the mail, so i'm gonna have some fun with dual K&Ns and ram air :D

Scoops (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2454948316&category=36475&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting) :thumbup: