RICER THIS, RICER THAT

[jasonslyric00]

Ok, time to get this off my chest! :angry:

I don't mind the term "ricer", in fact, at one point I was proud to be considered one due to my love of JDM racing. Technically, "ricer" was originally meant to describe the Japanese Import racers due to the fact that Japanese were stereotypically linked to eating large quantities of it (rice).

But some fuckhead, somewhere along the way, began picking at it and mis-using it and NOW it has become somewhat of a 4-letter word.
:angry:

#1 on my list of "What the hell are you talking about" is the "ricer flyby", of which it is describing someone who loses a drag race, or any race, I guess, and then, after the winner shuts it down, they continually fly by at top speed for a little bit giving off the impression that the race wasn't over until they were in front and they have now won it.
First, that isn't necessarily what is going through someone's mind when they do that, but more importantly, IT ISN'T JUST "ricers" DOING IT, ASSHOLES!!!!
I can't tell you how many times I watch some jocko do it in his POS stang or bogged-down, tailgate-dragging-air, "I'm-bad-because-I-have-a-V8,-even-though-it's-worthless-because-of-my-weight" truck or SUV (they're the worst).
:rolleyes:

Now, for my next complaint, I should first off apologize to ljasonl because this gripe contradicts something I conveyed to him when I said his WRX was not a true ricer (the GOOD meaning). To say that the only true ricers are Hondas, Acuras, Toyotas, Lexus's, Mitsubishis, Mazdas (before Ford took over), Infinitis and Nissans (I'm sure I missed a couple) is not entirely false (even though Infiniti, Acura, and Lexus are AMERICAN badges on Japanese designed cars). But, I think it was generally thought that all imported 4cyl's (and a select few 6's) were covered under the "ricer" umbrella when it became a Import VS Domestic War scene.
Technically, some such as VW, Subaru, Peugot, etc are not considered JDM, but I like to consider them "ricers".
Now, what happens when Focus's, Neons, Probes, GrandAms, etc come in and say "Well, I'm not imported, but I don't have the bigblock or the positrac, doubleover, whatever-to-one, raked, RWD growler either, so where do I fit in?".
I think, at that time, ricer was expanded to cover mostly all FWD's, and a few RWD's and AWD's, but they more or less had to be import.

So far, all this expanding has been for better, not worse. I don't think too many Honda-Lovers were too offended when the definition started covering some less-than-JDM rides...in fact, it opened up a few more rivalries (Honda vs VW, Nissan vs VW, Nissan vs Honda, Mitsu vs Honda, etc). But once the dumbestic rednecks (only take offense if you are one and you know it) started sneering when they talked about "ricers", it converged into more of a jab towards the 4banger, FWD crowd and, from there, it has gotten ugly.

Plain and simple, if you aren't mature enough to have your V8 ass handed to you by a 4cyl that HAS put in the work, or if you simply can't respect that because you are a sore looser, then that's YOUR problem. But don't try to downplay import racing because you are scared it's movin' in on your turf, because, unfortunately for you, IT IS. You might as well embrace it.
;)

The kid that chunks all his money into a 20 piece (exaggerated) body kit, super high aluminum wing, and countless other appearance mods, but nothing under the hood, and claims he's "fast and furious"..he isn't a "ricer" because of that...he is just :wacko: . If he's a "ricer" it is because of WHAT he drives, not how he hooks it up.
But that's his perogative.

[3rdgenRX7]

Ive always thought of ricer as some1 that puts all his money into apperence and audio, instead of apperance. I guess I was wrong.

[Triepsyn]

Originally posted by 3rdgenRX7@Dec 15 2003, 04:18 AM
Ive always thought of ricer as some1 that puts all his money into apperence and audio, instead of apperance. I guess I was wrong.



Rice is a term that should be used loosely. Because of the wide perspectives that "Rice" can be applied to, its definition spans widely. :lol:

Now, what happens when Focus's, Neons, Probes, GrandAms, etc come in and say "Well, I'm not imported, but I don't have the bigblock or the positrac, doubleover, whatever-to-one, raked, RWD growler either, so where do I fit in?".


Well, I consider the Probe an import, personally, because it has the heart, tranny, rearend, and all of a Mazda (before Ford took over). The only part Ford is the body and interior (Which the interior is apparent in the 93/94 applications, have you seen the door panels? <_< ) Even the fuel system is manufactured and shipped from Mitsubishi motors. :ph34r: Frightening.

Most domestic freaks & mechanics won't accept the Probe. Wonder why? Well, when the Probe was released, people expected part prices & labor prices of a domestic, since it was released under the name FORD. As you all know, working on a Ford in America is hella cheaper than working on say, a Mazda. So, people were expecting domestic repair prices. Well, when the cars were getting the miles on them, and repairs had to be made, it cost as much to fix this "Ford Probe" as it did to fix an import, people were pissed. Now, had you bought a Mazda MX-6 (The sister car) you would be expecting import repair prices, so it wouldn't be a big deal to spend more on the bill, because you expected it, because it holds an import badge. So, thats why the Probe gets shut out and many mechanics refuse to work on them, because they were expecting it to perform and take parts like a Ford, and it didn't.

Well, that and, most people don't like the name, "Probe", and some people don't like how they look.. but that happens with many cars, not just the Probe.

BTW, I consider cars like the Neon, Grand Am, Focus and Probe, "Domestic Sport Compact." And that is what the site will display them as. It's only fair to give respect to our American-made versions of the 'Import'.

Anyways, continue with your rant! :huh:

[jasonslyric00]

Nothing to continue, Triepsyn...Thank you.
You helped detail my rant.

And 3rdGen, if I have helped one person see the light, then it is all worth it.

[3rdgenRX7]

lol thank you for showing the light to me

[BDP]

well, i just recently found out i might have some ADD bullshit cause i get confused reading shit. So even though i read all that twice....... Im lost :lol:


No i wanted to add my $.02 as well just since we are here.

Like Caleb said, I still consider BAD rice as BAD rice - stickers wings bullshit they add the first 10 minutes from pulling off a car lot. If you've worked on the car for years and its boring, maybe you do need something to spark your creativity, but we know what is appealing and not. Like Ty tells me, "dont worry about it cause its not your car, its theirs and they like it!".

I understand your Rant tho about all the crap people stereotype. Myself tho - sometimes i dont feel like modding out and import i just wanna cruise in a v8, thats why i bought the mustang. At heart i am a lover of both worlds, it doesnt matter to me "Ford is better, no, Chevy is better" or "Imports are better, no, Big Blocks are better" Both have their issues.

In my opinion:
You can either buy a stock highend v8 and get all the power you been needing, or buy an import do all the work yourself, then have all the power you been needing.
Dont get me wrong, you can spend 30 40 $50,000 and get a high end stock import, but most guys are about pride and (im better than you) so they are gonna buy something they can work on to be proud of. It pisses anyone off to have their car dogged by somebody with no respect.
Not all of us wanna go out and spend hours and days rebuilding a motor to curve off a second or so, they'd rather bolt on a $300 part and sacrifice a few miles to the gallon. Dont forget that this is what America started from!!! I think Big Blocks make us who we are (not siding with anyone here) but there arent honda's taking over our American Sunday races... yet.

I have lots of respect for anyone and their chosen vehicle. Its when they pull up in their stock whatever and say "im better than you lets race" That is where i cross the line. I'd prefer hearing "what have you done to it.... yeah? well i done..... you wanna race em?" It shows respect for the other guy that you even care what he has under the hood.

This guy at a parts place local told me that his 305 (bored-over) nova pulled the wheels off the ground going around a corner while hitting passing gear. WTF is that? Dont lie about your shit, if you want your car to do that, save money and do it ass.

And this other guy who had some stock accord that told me he wanted to get it down from its "Stock 13s to around 5s in the 1/4" WTF is that? If you dont know what your talking about, take some time and learn ass.

I have grown up with old chevys and fords and worked on alot too. That is what ive always prefered. Now that Imports are so common and are accessibly cheap, it is better for me to buy an import with my fundage (and for the reliability) than an old muscle car that i'll be dumping tons of money into.

My mustang runs 14.02 in the 1/8 and it calms my needs- my probe runs 17 in the 1/4 and it sucks ass, so im gonna try to modify some turbo setup in the future to give it a little more HP!! It is more efficient to work on my probe/Talon than the stang cause it will just eat money anyhow, it is more of a summer/strip car - not reliable. I think people can live in both worlds just fine. I work on hondas and various imports all the time and never flame anyone, cause a vehicle is a vehicle.

I dunno, back to what you were saying.... Just work on your motor before adding bullshit unless you dont care what others will say behind your back. Cause not everyone will listen to advice like Ty told me, they will always think that BAD RICE made their day worse and hate you for it!



Please feel free to dog me for my opinions since i stepped into lethal territory there ^_^

[jasonslyric00]

Originally posted by BDP@Dec 16 2003, 10:12 AM
Its when they pull up in their stock whatever and say "im better than you lets race" That is where i cross the line. I'd prefer hearing "what have you done to it.... yeah? well i done..... you wanna race em?" It shows respect for the other guy that you even care what he has under the hood.

Exactly...
But the point of my rant, BDP, is that this (above quote) is not technically what the term "ricer" was initially intended to describe.

I feel the same way you do. Sort of...I actually LIKE some kid to come up to me with a body kit, wing, and stock motor in his civic thinking he is quick...it's fun to beat them WHILE you change CD's!!! HAHAHAHAHA
:lol:

But, based on how the term came to play, these kids aren't ricers because they try to do the F&F thing...they're ricers because they choose import, 4banger, FWD, grocery-getters over something that pulls off the lot with all its HP.
THAT'S what ricer-ism (new term) is supposed to be about.

There...simple that time, right?

[SmokeyTheBear]

grand ams have never been considered rice in my opinion. and i use the term "ricer" to describe stuff with good gas mileage.

[jasonslyric00]

Originally posted by Pseudo@Dec 17 2003, 02:33 AM
grand ams have never been considered rice in my opinion. and i use the term "ricer" to describe stuff with good gas mileage.
Yah, I wasn't too sure about that one, either.

And yet, I think that could be another characteristic of ricers...probably a more contributing factor.
If you think about it, Gayle's Mitsubishi Montero isn't necessarily a ricer, but it's an import with the same engine as a 3000GT. And it doesn't get great mileage.
Good point, bro.
:thumbup: :victory: :gold:

[04Mazda6s]

hers the way it goes down here. "Ricer" is a term for all show no go. As said before its the ones with huge body kits, shopping cart/park bench spoilers, and stickers all over the place. BUT, the cars that have actual stuff done to the engine and stuff is deamed an import (meaning anything not made in the U.S.) Its an easy way for us (here anyway) to distinguish the 'all show no go' and the 'import with mods'. For instance there are 2 kids I know of ... both have 98 eclipse's. One stripped the names, and but a huge spoiler (that doesn't match the car color might i add) with a body kit that looks really horrible and he is deamed a "ricer". The other has a GS-T and has all sorts of intake, exhaust, turbo mods that arn't just fart cannons. Its quick ... real quick and he is deamed an "import". Like I said here its just an easy way to tell who thinks there all that ... and who really is.

[Triepsyn]

But the thing is, 73Stang, alot of people whom are labeled have never even lifted their hood to be deemed such a thing. Some people just say, "that thing is fuckin' loud and annoying, stupid ricer." True, it may be loud.. But who are 'they' to judge if the car is modified or not. We might not like the look and attitude that person is portraying, but until you know for sure- there is a certain level of respect that should be given.

Ps. I don't consider the Grand AM sport compact really either. It's more of a sedan or family sedan. Although, I've seen some fast ones. And I'm not trying to bestow some sort of stigma over the Grand AM name by calling it a 'sedan'. Afterall, half of our cars aren't even classified as a sports car, most of ours are classified as "passenger cars".. Yeah, that makes us- the consumer, feel really good about the intake we ordered... for our.. passenger car..

:lol: I make no sense @ all.

[jasonslyric00]

And now the bomb drops : :rolleyes:

What happens when you have a civic that is fully kitted with neons and all the shit. You say "stupid ricer" but then he hands your ass to you in the box that his massive turbo kit was delivered to him in.
:o
He's running 11.5 1/4's WITH the weight of the kit (of course it's all caron fiber, fenders included, but painted to look otherwise). What then??? Do you recant your statement and say, "good job bro". No...you will talk shit about that 'fake ass ricer' until the end of time. You will always say "May have kicked my ass"(not exactly like that though, because you don't want to admit it)"but the car is riced out with the kit and neons" etc.
:unsure:
You see, 'ricer' is what it is today because some hater (yes, ljasonl, I used it again) one day got his ass handed to him by what he thought was some kid that wanted to live a "Fast & Furious" lifestyle (like it exists) who knew nothing about driving but chunked his allowance into his body (car, that is), when in reality, the kid was a bonafied sleeper in a reverse-psychology frame of mind (in other words, he thought "if people think a loud, low, stock looking civic is a sleeper that's ready to kill, and the kitted civic is a slow 'ricer', then I'll make my car look like a 'ricer' and, in turn, be a sleeper that doesn't look asleep....GOTCHAAAAA")
;)

Granted, it may not even have necessarily even BEEN misconstrued in other parts of the country (thank God), but HERE, where it seems that a newbie street racer is 'born' every freakin' minute, the word 'ricer' is seriously being used in vain!
I remember racing in El Paso 3 or 4 years ago, when my friend Brenden had his '67 GTO and wanted to race my '90 Legend Coupe, I was fuckin' PROUD to be called a ricer...as was everybody else sittin' in their imports!!!
:shiftingfun:

Now, to clarify, I'm not asking for opinions on what YOU think 'ricer' means, or is supposed to mean. I'm telling you how it has been completely fuck-twisted to mean something TOTALLY derogatory, when it should mean soemthing that some people are actually proud of.
A Japanese 4cyl that is tuned enough to run with, possibly beat, a V8, an engine twice its size??? and that's WITHOUT turbo???...
...THAT'S THE POWER OF RICE!!!!!!
:thumbup: :gold:

[Triepsyn]

Do you recant your statement and say, "good job bro". No...you will talk shit about that 'fake ass ricer' until the end of time. You will always say "May have kicked my ass"(not exactly like that though, because you don't want to admit it)"but the car is riced out with the kit and neons" etc.


If there's a Civic that is really -that- crazy.. I won't have any problem with the accessories that he chooses.. Besides, I see that he already spent alot of money on performance.. So why not let him get a little "show".. Because, its not as if it is "All Show- No Go" because the car is hella fast, so you can't say it is "All Show- No Go". Y'know what I mean?

[Triepsyn]

Besides, if a car is fast, it's fast. Nothing more to be said. Nothing added, nothing taken away. If you can't respect someone because of the time & money they've put into their customized ride, and you can't admit it is fast (although it is) then you're just disrespectful, and possibly jealous. But, who am I to judge. :rolleyes:

[Maliwho97]

To all the guys here that think there are no "Rice" honda sleepers, watch your ass. Ask BDP, he came to the shop today, only to see that a good friend of mine has an old auto accord, reddish purple, front bumper almost falling off, dented front fender, and stock hubcaps for its outter appearance. I find it funny he almost nutted himself when we popped the hood only to show him this ugly duckling had a beautiful H22a powerplant under the hood. Don't judge a book by its cover all the time, because I guarantee, you will get your ass handed to you sooner or later. :)

[92PreludeSi]

man im witchu jason, fukk da haterz :angry:

[BDP]

We talked about posting pics of his Honda and weren't too sure about letting people know what it looked like - but damnit, you had to bring it up :D

You want me to post the pics including the motor?

:shiftingfun:

[Maliwho97]

Did he approve of posting the pics?

[BDP]

he said he wanted people to see his car, but he will have the "After Photos" after the first and all. I suggested just to wait cause someone might swipe it again!!!

I dont think he would care tho, i just dont wanna piss him off or anything

[Maliwho97]

I feel ya on that. I'd post em though!

[BDP]

Ok :huh:

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